Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

[Nah]

Iiiii would also love this :D But I'm fighting / flying - not fighting / steel heh

Oh, woops. Flying/Steel is Exile. But I still have just enough Fighting types to do it too.

 

[AdamEternal]

Does she really sound like she's gonna beat someone when she says "Ich liebe dich"? I know that German's often thought to be an angry sounding language, but still...

Wow, that look's so innocent spelled out. If pronounced properly, you might spit everywhere.

I just checked how Google translation pronounced it. Never fully trust Google translator. Or maybe my mom just has a lot of spit in her mouth...

Just checked with mom, and she admitted that she exaggerated a bit. Mom... -_-'

A lot of guys on that side of the family are farmers, He had 12 brothers and sisters so reunions are large and still don't know some people that show up. And I think there is only 2 or 3 of them still alive now. He took in my grandma's brother's children to raise and had raised me and my sister for 5 years as well.

Sound's like a large family. I have a large family as well, I learned, when I went to a family member's memorial. I knew... I think about 5 tops.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Oh, woops. Flying/Steel is Exile. But I still have just enough Fighting types to do it too.

Yayyyy. That's cool, It won't be tonight though, as I lost to TGM subbing for Kitsuki. So I have to wait until tonight for another go; as the only badge I have to / can get, is the one I have to wait for a rematch for :I

TONIGHT - if I get it, I can immediately face you for my own symbol, if you already have the team ready.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

This. Pachirisu is hereby banned from all Doubles battles. :P

...wait, Smogon still allows it?

Carry on then.

I actually wanted to talk about this, I was derping around Swagon last night while talking to a friend, and I found out, all those Megas they have banned from OU - they don't have banned in doubles.

Does this mean we should allow them in doubles matches for the league? :U I was looking in Mega Kanga's thread for doubles, and I think their conclusion was something along the lines of "If you can't beat this, you need a better team".

 

[Cyclone]

I actually wanted to talk about this, I was derping around Swagon last night while talking to a friend, and I found out, all those Megas they have banned from OU - they don't have banned in doubles.

Does this mean we should allow them in doubles matches for the league? :U I was looking in Mega Kanga's thread for doubles, and I think their conclusion was something along the lines of "If you can't beat this, you need a better team".

I'm surprised by this. Because clearly Pachirisu can just use Follow Me to protect the Mega as it evolves.

You wanna talk about broken? There ya go.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I'm surprised by this. Because clearly Pachirisu can just use Follow Me to protect the Mega as it evolves.

You wanna talk about broken? There ya go.

I'm being serious, none of those megas, I'm fairly certain, were deemed overpowered or broken in doubles gameplay. And on your pachi joke, yeahhhh about that.

Pachirisu is useful in doubles, for sure. The world champ used it very effectively on a good team that fit its usefulness. It's miles from broken though. Earthquake spread in doubles. Ignore follow me, KO pachi barring shuca berry from a strong poke.

 

[Nah]

I actually wanted to talk about this, I was derping around Swagon last night while talking to a friend, and I found out, all those Megas they have banned from OU - they don't have banned in doubles.

Does this mean we should allow them in doubles matches for the league? :U I was looking in Mega Kanga's thread for doubles, and I think their conclusion was something along the lines of "If you can't beat this, you need a better team".

What we should really do is ban all Pokemon except for Pachirisu.

The thing is though that people are locked into one team for both singles and doubles, so if we allowed the use of the banned Megas for double battles, we'd have a bit of a problem when it comes to singles. Yeah, they could use the base form and not mega evolve it, but some of the Pokemon that got megas are crap without mega evolving, like Mawile or Charizard.

 

[Cyclone]

I'm being serious, none of those megas, I'm fairly certain, were deemed overpowered or broken in doubles gameplay. And on your pachi joke, yeahhhh about that.

Pachirisu is useful in doubles, for sure. The world champ used it very effectively on a good team that fit its usefulness. It's miles from broken though. Earthquake spread in doubles. Ignore follow me, KO pachi barring shuca berry from a strong poke.

Thank you for recognizing I was joking. However, calling Pashirisu broken was the joke.

What we should really do is ban all Pokemon except for Pachirisu.

APPROVE!

The thing is though that people are locked into one team for both singles and doubles, so if we allowed the use of the banned Megas for double battles, we'd have a bit of a problem when it comes to singles. Yeah, they could use the base form and not mega evolve it, but some of the Pokemon that got megas are crap without mega evolving, like Mawile or Charizard.

Allowing to change a Pokémon in for doubles kind of defeats the purpose of choosing a good team for both formats. Leave it as is, I say.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

No mega stones
Final Destination
Pachirisu only


But yeah, I can feel that. Think I'm biased anyways, because I just wanna be able to use Mega Lucario hahah. Those pokemon really aren't nearly as unfair in double battles, but I can see where the challenger would be at a disadvantage for having to go through both battle types that way

 

[Nah]

Allowing to change a Pokémon in for doubles kind of defeats the purpose of choosing a good team for both formats. Leave it as is, I say.

That's kinda what I was saying.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I won against Cyclone. It seems that my Sableye story have been spread :C. New record: Sableye dead in one turn sorry Polar. However, Gastrodoon and Manectric are the the nightmare for Polar and Cyclone :P

I am sorry Cyclone, but I can't let you win, my dream of becoming the Prism League champion is my priority C:.

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The rule for the six Pokemon are still really unstable and unfair ... We need to work on that rule. I believe putting 2 extra pokemon is still a good idea! :C I had battled Polar and double, this is not really working. The rule of "switching EV,blablabla", it's hard to apply for 3DS division, unless you meant you have multiple Tentacruel and you can use those Tentacruels, or hack. Another option is lock with 6 pokemon in Showdown and 7/8(but 8 sounds fair, since GYM leader can switch to any Pokemon) pokemons for 3DS division. The only reason for this is: You all know my Sableye by now, you all have a Pokemon against him. I am kind of lock here, also, for double its really really unstable. You make it all single or you make it all double. While GYM leader has more advantage like a +4 advantage its fairly hard to win :C

Oh I absolutely meant if you have multiple Tentacruel (or any multiples of any pokemon) you can switch them out - as long as it's the same species, that's literally the exact same thing as changing a build. You have to do that, actually - considering there's no way to change natures on 3DS, and assuming someone's going to stockpile 200 BP every time they want to change an ability is absurd.

And the balance between leader and challenger is a delicate thing, that is probably the most debatable of all rules with the league. But, hence beta testing, it seems to be working okay so far.... I think? I just got my 6 badges :U Maybe we should start surveying or PM'ing challengers with links to this discussion thread, asking them to weigh in on how fair they think the rules are, and wether it's too difficult or too easy for one side or the other.

Honestly in my opinion, right now it seems to be working fine. Like I've said before a bunch of times, the ability to select from all 718 pokemon (minus banned ones) a team of six pokemon that work cohesively together, of various types that function with one another and account for one another's weaknesses, (and being able to change the functions and builds of all 6) should be enough of an advantage, to put you in a situation where it's possible to overcome opponents who are all restricted in their teams to only 2 types. If that's not the case though, I suppose we'll see and hear about it (hopefully)

 

[Krystia]

Oh I absolutely meant if you have multiple Tentacruel (or any multiples of any pokemon) you can switch them out - as long as it's the same species, that's literally the exact same thing as changing a build. You have to do that, actually - considering there's no way to change natures on 3DS, and assuming someone's going to stockpile 200 BP every time they want to change an ability is absurd.

And the balance between leader and challenger is a delicate thing, that is probably the most debatable of all rules with the league. But, hence beta testing, it seems to be working okay so far.... I think? I just got my 6 badges :U Maybe we should start surveying or PM'ing challengers with links to this discussion thread, asking them to weigh in on how fair they think the rules are, and wether it's too difficult or too easy for one side or the other.

Honestly in my opinion, right now it seems to be working fine. Like I've said before a bunch of times, the ability to select from all 718 pokemon (minus banned ones) a team of six pokemon that work cohesively together, of various types that function with one another and account for one another's weaknesses, (and being able to change the functions and builds of all 6) should be enough of an advantage, to put you in a situation where it's possible to overcome opponents who are all restricted in their teams to only 2 types. If that's not the case though, I suppose we'll see and hear about it (hopefully)

There is another possibility is: If you haven't earn any badges, you can switch your Pokemons or team any time? When I started and register my team, you guys didn't allow me to switch which made me a little upset, so yeah... I guess, I started to play with really unpopular pokemons so that's why I kind of complain, and make a bit harder for me to battle :P Oh well, I got 5 badges so I guess I am good to go. I suppose.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

There is another possibility is: If you haven't earn any badges, you can switch your Pokemons or team any time? When I started and register my team, you guys didn't allow me to switch which made me a little upset, so yeah... I guess, I started to play with really unpopular pokemons so that's why I kind of complain, and make a bit harder for me to battle :P Oh well, I got 5 badges so I guess I am good to go. I suppose.

Hah, well - if you check the bottom of page 7 in the Challenge thread, this post in particular, you are allowed to change your team if you have no badges, or at any time given that you're willing to reset your progress so far.

Basically, changing your team just resets your progress so far. If you have none to lose - knock yourself out. Counter pick a gym leader even, just so you can get one badge. :P But any time you switch the species again, you lose progress with your first team.

And hey, you're only one badge away from the Elites :D If you don't wanna replay me for Psychic / Fairy before Kitsuki finishes a team, TGM can also sub for Psychic Fairy. He does have a full team doubles-ready for that gym.

 

[Krystia]

Haha, thanks for clarifying.

It's just a thing to offer fairness since challengers have all 719 - banned species to choose from, and can choose the ideal team, while Leaders are limited by type and can't choose ideal teams because they will have common weaknesses, so it's just to even the playing field somewhat.

And yes, switching it up is the best strategy. Lead with different Pokémon and different strategies every time. Keeps people guessing since every video shows up in here, and trying to plan for one strategy can end up getting a Leader's starter mercilessly slaughtered. I went on predictability, of course.

It is true, you also have to consider that now most Pokemon are duo types too. It is hard to say you only have 2 types. You might be only have 2 MAIN types, however, you are still have more than just 2 types. I don't know how I could explain it, but I will bring this to discussion section. I am not against any of the rules you guys implied btw. It was just a suggestion just in case we struggle. Trainers also want to have their trainers advatange that's what I meant :P anyhow, good show :)

Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum
Hah, well - if you check the bottom of page 7 in the Challenge thread, this post in particular, you are allowed to change your team if you have no badges, or at any time given that you're willing to reset your progress so far.

Basically, changing your team just resets your progress so far. If you have none to lose - knock yourself out. Counter pick a gym leader even, just so you can get one badge.

But any time you switch the species again, you lose progress with your first team.

And hey, you're only one badge away from the Elites :D If you don't wanna replay me for Psychic / Fairy before Kitsuki finishes a team, TGM can also sub for Psychic Fairy. He does have a full team doubles-ready for that gym.

I did not see this post, I just send him a challenge it seems that he is busy, and its 1 AM right now. I might challenge tomorrow night, because I have to travel back to Toronto.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

It is true, you also have to consider that now most Pokemon are duo types too. It is hard to say you only have 2 types. You might be only have 2 MAIN types, however, you are still have more than just 2 types. I don't know how I could explain it, but I will bring this to discussion section. I am not against any of the rules you guys implied btw. It was just a suggestion just in case we struggle. Trainers also want to have their trainers advatange that's what I meant :P anyhow, good show :)



I did not see this post, I just send him a challenge it seems that he is busy, and its 1 AM right now. I might challenge tomorrow night, because I have to travel back to Toronto.

Heh, yeah the leaders need their dual types though; for coverage and breaking up weaknesses. If the league's members were restricted to two types using only pokemon from those types that were ONLY that type, you could easily run teams with pokemon that could resist all stab attacks from a number of different members. Yes, you'd still have to make it through 6 leaders and 4 elites - but that would be very difficult for any leader or elite... Especially when you consider types like flying... which only has ONE pure flying type in existence :c

And woop - good luck. I do happen to know TGM went to bed about an hour ago, and he wont' be back on til' around..... 2? Central US time tomorrow. Good luck though :D I'm here if you want me as a sub still, and Kitsuki should be done in the next few days if I'm not mistaken as well.

 

[Nah]

It is true, you also have to consider that now most Pokemon are duo types too. It is hard to say you only have 2 types. You might be only have 2 MAIN types, however, you are still have more than just 2 types. I don't know how I could explain it, but I will bring this to discussion section. I am not against any of the rules you guys implied btw. It was just a suggestion just in case we struggle. Trainers also want to have their trainers advatange that's what I meant :P anyhow, good show :)

We do get help from dual typed Pokemon, but they can't handle everything. Look at me for example: My types are Fire and Rock. That gives me one hell of a Ground and Water weakness, which is only made worse by the fact that those are commonly used types and that most Ground types can use Rock attacks. As boss as Cradily is, it can't just handle that much of my team's weaknesses by itself.

Speaking of underrated pokes: Ingosmex's Avalugg was such a trooper in his battle against srinator.

We have 3 Fairy gyms. How?

Because people like Fairies? IDK how it happened, but we have to expect some type overlap.

 

[Krystia]

We do get help from dual typed Pokemon, but they can't handle everything. Look at me for example: My types are Fire and Rock. That gives me one hell of a Ground and Water weakness, which is only made worse by the fact that those are commonly used types and that most Ground types can use Rock attacks. As boss as Cradily is, it can't just handle that much of my team's weaknesses by itself.

Speaking of underrated pokes: Ingosmex's Avalugg was such a trooper in his battle against srinator.


Because people like Fairies? IDK how it happened, but we have to expect some type overlap.

There are some trainers who are playing with monotype. Not all, will have a ground and water type all-together. There are some pokemons that are either weak to water or weak to water. Cradily and Talonflame, or Tyranitar. IF the Gym leaders were monotypes well, then it is more arguable. I don't really want to start this argument I already got all 6 GYMS ~ just trying to figure out how to beat the Elite four ~

 

[Cyclone]

We have 3 Fairy gyms. How?

We have 12 Leaders and 8 Elites. Mathematically, dual-typing everyone, that gives 40 type selections. Immediately, four cases of three choosings of a type are necessary.

This will be tricky if someone exits the League with types that the new Leader doesn't want. Mandate those types? Or allow selection of anything provided that three of a type is the maximum?

Also...my Fairy types disapprove of your disdain towards their selection in my Gym. They will own you. :)

...maybe. :)

 

[Kitsuki]

Sorry i wasn't active yesterday it did kinda hit and i didn't feel like anything but I'm better today and working on getting my final item trades... my sister almost forgot that she still had to catch moltres...-_-'

And I have to agree. They pair well with psychics as they each cover one weakness and the last can be helped along with other types available. and some one my favorite types had already been taken (cough dark) so i just had to work with what I had available.

 

[Lobrix]

Is it possible for leaders to switch out their Pokes as long as they are matching the gym type? Or am I limited to my six with a selection of moves, abilities, and items?