Which pokemon is the best physical wall?

[Rapture11]

Outta these, which do you think is the best?
1.Sableye
2.Weezing
3.Super Size Gourgiest
4.Gliscor
5. Whimsicott
6. Skarmony
7. Cofagrigus
8. Dusclops
9. Avalugg

 

[PlatinumDude]

Out of these, Super Size Gourgeist, Gliscor and Skarmory are the best bets for OU physical walls.

Here are the flaws of the rest:
-Sableye's and Whimsicott's defenses aren't high enough for them to be considered walls; they're meant to abuse Prankster, and they run defensive investment to help them survive hits.
-Cofagrigus is best played as an offensive Trick Room attacker; Trevenant and Gourgeist do the defensive Ghost role better, IMO.
-Duslcops has no offensive presence outside of Night Shade and Seismic Toss.
-While Avalugg has excellent physical bulk and reliable recovery, its bad defensive typing lets it down.

 

[wolf]

Skarm is probably the most iconic physical wall in the game. Spectacular typing (though it has a con of being neutral to the ever common Fighting-type), reliable recovery (Roost), great support when walling isn't necessary (Spikes or Defog), strong STAB move with good coverage (Brave Bird), ability to prevent sweepers from setting up (Whirlwind), solid base stats, etc.

 

[Rapture11]

Out of these, Super Size Gourgeist, Gliscor and Skarmory are the best bets for OU physical walls.

Here are the flaws of the rest:
-Sableye's and Whimsicott's defenses aren't high enough for them to be considered walls; they're meant to abuse Prankster, and they run defensive investment to help them survive hits.
-Cofagrigus is best played as an offensive Trick Room attacker; Trevenant and Gourgeist do the defensive Ghost role better, IMO.
-Duslcops has no offensive presence outside of Night Shade and Seismic Toss.
-While Avalugg has excellent physical bulk and reliable recovery, its bad defensive typing lets it down.

Although Super Size Gourgeist has 5 weaknesses, it can get killed off easily because of that. That's why I've changed to different pokemon, it fails in battle spot for me. Even with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical attackers, I've encountered a Conkelldur where it used Knock Off on it when I got a Will-O-Wisp on it, it still did about 3/4 of it's HP. It's worse than Avalugg in a way with it's typing. Gliscor and Skarmony are pretty good though.

 

[Hiatus]

Forretress could make a great physcial wall if used correctly. Its Defense is extremely huge, has access to all three entry hazards, and it could learn Rapid Spin as well; it's an all-in-one. :] An alternative would be Ferrothorn, but it just can't learn Toxic Spikes, though. Aside from these two, Swampert is pretty good, too, and so are Slowbro and Tyranitar.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Although Super Size Gourgeist has 5 weaknesses, it can get killed off easily because of that. That's why I've changed to different pokemon, it fails in battle spot for me. Even with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical attackers, I've encountered a Conkelldur where it used Knock Off on it when I got a Will-O-Wisp on it, it still did about 3/4 of it's HP. It's worse than Avalugg in a way with it's typing. Gliscor and Skarmony are pretty good though.

Gourgeist's main job is to check/counter Excadrill, the best Rapid Spinner. You should never have let Gourgeist stay in on that Conkeldurr in the first place.

 

[Rapture11]

Btw has anyone gone for a defensive Scizor before? like this?(that I thought of)
Scizor@Leftovers only 1 weakness and has recovery move
Nature:Impish
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: U-turn, Roost, Substitute/Protect, Toxic.

Also a Defensive Leafeon but grass has a lot of weaknesses and has recovery move.
Leafeon@Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: Leaf Blade, Toxic, Synthesis, Protect

It could be amusing to use them.


Also PlatinumDude I use Gourgeist as a physical wall in battle spot and any I would switch in, could faint from Conkeldurr, Gourgeist is supposed to wall all physical attackers and cripple them but it's typing seems bad.

Peitharchia those are good walls except only Slowbro has reliable recovery.

 

[Nah]

Btw has anyone gone for a defensive Scizor before? like this?(that I thought of)
Scizor@Leftovers only 1 weakness and has recovery move
Nature:Impish
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: U-turn, Roost, Substitute/Protect, Toxic.

Also a Defensive Leafeon but grass has a lot of weaknesses and has recovery move.
Leafeon@Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: Leaf Blade, Toxic, Synthesis, Protect

It could be amusing to use them.


Also PlatinumDude I use Gourgeist as a physical wall in battle spot and any I would switch in, could faint from Conkeldurr, Gourgeist is supposed to wall all physical attackers and cripple them but it's typing seems bad.

Peitharchia those are good walls except only Slowbro has reliable recovery.

That Conkeldurr probably had Guts, which is why it did so much damage to Gourgeist:

252+ Atk burned Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 77-91 (20.5 - 24.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 230-272 (61.4 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

The second one is also with a burn, though it doesn't say that.

And a defensive Scizor wastes its offensive gifts. There is a bulky Swords Dance Scizor, btw:

-Scizor w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP, 40 Attack, 212 Sp.Defense
Moves: Bullet Punch, Swords Dance, Roost, Brick Break/Superpower

To answer the original question, most of the Pokemon listed are good walls (not Avalugg or Dusclops, and Whimsicott/Sableye isn't exactly a wall), but they all work a bit differently.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Btw has anyone gone for a defensive Scizor before? like this?(that I thought of)
Scizor@Leftovers only 1 weakness and has recovery move
Nature:Impish
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: U-turn, Roost, Substitute/Protect, Toxic.

Also a Defensive Leafeon but grass has a lot of weaknesses and has recovery move.
Leafeon@Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Special Defense
Moves: Leaf Blade, Toxic, Synthesis, Protect

It could be amusing to use them.


Also PlatinumDude I use Gourgeist as a physical wall in battle spot and any I would switch in, could faint from Conkeldurr, Gourgeist is supposed to wall all physical attackers and cripple them but it's typing seems bad.

Peitharchia those are good walls except only Slowbro has reliable recovery.

However, Gourgeist has useful resistances to Ground, Grass, Water and Electric, as well as immunities to Fighting and Normal. As Zekrom mentioned, the Conkeldurr you faced had Guts, which powers up the user if it's statused. Let me make this clear: you do not keep Gourgeist in against Pokemon with Guts.

If you have problems with Gourgeist's Fire, Flying, Ghost, Dark and Ice weaknesses, pair it with something that resists those weaknesses (preferably those with high Special Defense to cover for Gourgeist's subpar special bulk), like Heatran and Tyranitar.

I wouldn't advise Leafeon in the first place because it doesn't have much to make it stand out from other bulky Grass Pokemon. However, Tangrowth and Chesnaught (though both aren't seen too often) are better candidates than it. The former has Regenerator to heal off damage as it switches out and the latter is very good at inflicting chip damage at the opponent. Ferrothorn is the best bulky Grass Pokemon, IMO:

Tangrowth:
-Giga Drain/Leaf Storm
-Knock Off
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Rock Slide
Nature: Sassy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator

or
-Giga Drain/Leaf Storm
-Knock Off
-Earthquake/Sleep Powder
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator

Chesnaught:
-Leech Seed
-Spiky Shield
-Hammer Arm/Seed Bomb
-Synthesis
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof

or
-Spikes
-Roar
-Hammer Arm/Seed Bomb
-Synthesis
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof

Ferrothorn:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
-Power Whip/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/48 Def/208 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs

 

[Rapture11]

That Conkeldurr probably had Guts, which is why it did so much damage to Gourgeist:

252+ Atk burned Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 77-91 (20.5 - 24.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 230-272 (61.4 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

The second one is also with a burn, though it doesn't say that.

And a defensive Scizor wastes its offensive gifts. There is a bulky Swords Dance Scizor, btw:

-Scizor w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP, 40 Attack, 212 Sp.Defense
Moves: Bullet Punch, Swords Dance, Roost, Brick Break/Superpower

To answer the original question, most of the Pokemon listed are good walls (not Avalugg or Dusclops, and Whimsicott/Sableye isn't exactly a wall), but they all work a bit differently.

I know, just making a unique scizor. I know all the offensive sets. Btw the Conkeldurr was burned and had almost full HP with Will-O-Wisp and it 2KO'd Gourgeist.

 

[PlatinumDude]

I know, just making a unique scizor. I know all the offensive sets. Btw the Conkeldurr was burned and had almost full HP with Will-O-Wisp and it 2KO'd Gourgeist.

Did you not read what me and Zekrom said earlier? That Conkeldurr had Guts, which was why it 2HKOed Gourgeist in the first place.

 

[Puddle]

I love a Gliscor wall. Actually I hate it. I never seem to be able to master it completely, but my opponents are really good with it. He's pretty solid.
I've seen some Cloysters that can be good walls, but at the same time pretty powerful.

 

[Rapture11]

Did you not read what me and Zekrom said earlier? That Conkeldurr had Guts, which was why it 2HKOed Gourgeist in the first place.

Oh, at first I thought Guts raised attack to 1.5 times when below 1/3 health or something like that but I checked and I'm wrong, it raises when it has a status.