Which Pokemon is great for Umbreon Party?

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    I have a competitive Umbreon 5IV Impish, with:

    Wish
    Curse
    Batton Pass
    Toxic


    I just want to know what's is the next Pokémon I should train for making a great team with Umbreon.
     
    Snorlax is always a good option to pass a curse or two over to, but Toxic may not be necessary as CurseLax has the muscle to destroy things without wearing them down first...

    Alternatively, you can choose a second Baton Passer that can set up a Substitute and set up from behind it.
     
    The most important thing here is a Pokemon that can make use of the Curses Umbreon will pass off. Like [supporter]Timbjerr[/supporter] said, Snorlax is a good option; already slow, but bulky with good attack. Other ones to consider are Conkeldurr and maybe Mega Mawile.

    Anyway, you also need a poke that covers Umbreon's weaknesses. Aegislash does a good job at that, and even benefits from Umbreon's passes. You'll wanna switch Toxic with Payback on Umbreon. Otherwise it becomes major Taunt and set-up bait. Umbreon shouldn't waste time with status anyway, you need to set up as quickly as possible so it can pass the boosts to something before getting killed.

    Sets for each (except Aegislash because that thing has a million sets and I'm not typing them all), if you need 'em:

    -Snorlax w/Assault Vest:
    Nature: Careful
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
    Moves: Return, Earthquake, Wild Charge, Rock Slide/Pursuit

    -Conkledurr w/Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 Attack, 236 Sp.Defense, 20 HP
    Moves: Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Knock Off, Ice Punch (if you can get those last 2, if not go with a Rock attack and Poison jab or something)

    -Mega Mawile w/Mawilite
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Play Rough, Fire Fang, Sucker Punch, Iron Head/Swords Dance
     
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    The most important thing here is a Pokemon that can make use of the Curses Umbreon will pass off. Like [supporter]Timbjerr[/supporter] said, Snorlax is a good option; already slow, but bulky with good attack. Other ones to consider are Conkeldurr and maybe Mega Mawile.

    Anyway, you also need a poke that covers Umbreon's weaknesses. Aegislash does a good job at that, and even benefits from Umbreon's passes. You'll wanna switch Toxic with Payback on Umbreon. Otherwise it becomes major Taunt and set-up bait. Umbreon shouldn't waste time with status anyway, you need to set up as quickly as possible so it can pass the boosts to something before getting killed.

    Sets for each (except Aegislash because that thing has a million sets and I'm not typing them all), if you need 'em:

    -Snorlax w/Assault Vest:
    Nature: Careful
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
    Moves: Return, Earthquake, Wild Charge, Rock Slide/Pursuit

    -Conkledurr w/Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 Attack, 236 Sp.Defense, 20 HP
    Moves: Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Knock Off, Ice Punch (if you can get those last 2, if not go with a Rock attack and Poison jab or something)

    -Mega Mawile w/Mawilite
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Play Rough, Fire Fang, Sucker Punch, Iron Head/Swords Dance
    Curse isn't exactly the best thing Umbreon can BP. If this was the case, Umbreon should use a Careful nature, since Defense will already be boosted with Curse. It's also massive Taunt bait, so use Payback over a move.

    Personally, I think Umbreon has better things to do than Baton Pass Curse. It's best to stick with Wish support only, though Sylveon does it better by miles. And Umbreon also needs Foul Play to function, since it's very weak offensively. But that's a B2/W2 tutor move. Just putting this out there.
     
    A pokemon that is strong against bug and fighting types, as they could cause an Umbreon a lot of trouble wthout any backup.
    This is true. A Flying-type works great against both. A good Flying-type to use would be Talonflame. Talonflame is quite common, mainly due to its high Speed stat:
    Talonflame (All-Out Attack)
    Adamant
    Ability: Flame Body/Gale Wings
    252 Speed/252 Atk./4 HP
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
    Flare Blitz
    Brave Bird
    Protect/Taunt
    Tailwind

    Tailwind will ensure Talonflame has the upper hand in Speed. Flare Blitz and Brave Bird are very powerful moves, but comes with a high recoil. You can either have it hold the Life Orb for really big power, or Leftovers to compensate for some of the recoil damage. You can either run Protect or Taunt, depending on how offensive you want Talonflame to be. However, a Fire- and Flying-type has a 4x weakness to Rock, which makes Stone Edge a huge kick in the gut. Flame Body has a chance to burn the target. Burn is a good status effect because it lowers Attack. However, Gale Wings is a great ability because it puts the priority of Flying-type moves up.

    A personal favorite of mine is Noivern, just because I'm a fan of Dragons. Also, it has great Special Attack and Speed:
    Noivern (Special Sweep)
    Modest
    Ability: Frisk/Infliltrator
    252 Speed/252 Sp. Atk./4 Defense
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
    Hurricane
    Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    Roost
    Flamethrower/Focus Blast/Boomburst

    Roost replaces lost HP so Noivern can keep on the pain. Hurricane is a very powerful Flying-type move with lower accuracy (70%). This changes under weather conditions: 100% in Rain, 50% in Sun. Draco Meteor is a very powerful Dragon-type move, but lowers Special Attack harshly, so Dragon Pulse is a viable alternative if that is an issue. Flamethrower can cause Burns. Also, I ran Flamethrower when I used Mega Charizard Y in Double battles, where Drought takes effect when you mega evolve it. Focus Blast is a good Fighting-type attack, but at 70% accuracy. Boomburst is a move at a whopping 140 power and 100% accuracy, but as a Normal-type move, doesn't offer a lot of type coverage.

    Hope this helped.
     
    This is true. A Flying-type works great against both. A good Flying-type to use would be Talonflame. Talonflame is quite common, mainly due to its high Speed stat:
    Talonflame (All-Out Attack)
    Adamant
    Ability: Flame Body/Gale Wings
    252 Speed/252 Atk./4 HP
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
    Flare Blitz
    Brave Bird
    Protect/Taunt
    Tailwind

    Tailwind will ensure Talonflame has the upper hand in Speed. Flare Blitz and Brave Bird are very powerful moves, but comes with a high recoil. You can either have it hold the Life Orb for really big power, or Leftovers to compensate for some of the recoil damage. You can either run Protect or Taunt, depending on how offensive you want Talonflame to be. However, a Fire- and Flying-type has a 4x weakness to Rock, which makes Stone Edge a huge kick in the gut. Flame Body has a chance to burn the target. Burn is a good status effect because it lowers Attack. However, Gale Wings is a great ability because it puts the priority of Flying-type moves up.

    A personal favorite of mine is Noivern, just because I'm a fan of Dragons. Also, it has great Special Attack and Speed:
    Noivern (Special Sweep)
    Modest
    Ability: Frisk/Infliltrator
    252 Speed/252 Sp. Atk./4 Defense
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
    Hurricane
    Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    Roost
    Flamethrower/Focus Blast/Boomburst

    Roost replaces lost HP so Noivern can keep on the pain. Hurricane is a very powerful Flying-type move with lower accuracy (70%). This changes under weather conditions: 100% in Rain, 50% in Sun. Draco Meteor is a very powerful Dragon-type move, but lowers Special Attack harshly, so Dragon Pulse is a viable alternative if that is an issue. Flamethrower can cause Burns. Also, I ran Flamethrower when I used Mega Charizard Y in Double battles, where Drought takes effect when you mega evolve it. Focus Blast is a good Fighting-type attack, but at 70% accuracy. Boomburst is a move at a whopping 140 power and 100% accuracy, but as a Normal-type move, doesn't offer a lot of type coverage.

    Hope this helped.
    Talonflame should always use Gale Wings as its ability, as it's the sole reason why it's an OU Pokemon. Flame Body is useless in comparison:
    -Swords Dance
    -Flare Blitz
    -Brave Bird
    -Roost
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
    Ability: Gale Wings

    or
    -Flare Blitz
    -Brave Bird
    -U-turn
    -Tailwind/Roost
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
    Ability: Gale Wings

    or
    -Bulk Up
    -Brave Bird
    -Roost
    -Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Gale Wings

    With Modest, Noivern is now outsped by Pokemon with base 110 Speed and up with +Speed natures, like Greninja and Alakazam. It's best off as Timid as a result. Boomburst, while powerful, doesn't give Noivern any noteworthy coverage:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -Hurricane/Switcheroo/U-turn
    Nature: Timid/Naive
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Frisk/Infiltrator

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -U-turn/Roost/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Naive/Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Frisk/Infiltrator

    An alternative is Dragonite:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage/Dragon Claw
    -Extreme Speed
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/24 Def/232 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Weakness Policy
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Outrage
    -Extreme Speed
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Punch/Dragon Claw
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Dragon Claw
    -Extreme Speed
    -Earthquake
    -Roost
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 216 HP/64 Atk/228 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale
     
    Gee, I didn't even think about Dragonite... and yes, Modest on Noivern does leave it outsped by many Pokemon, but it makes it a stronger attacker. However, if you want Noivern to focus on Speed, then Timid is the way to go indeed. And yeah, I did note that Boomburst wouldn't really provide any coverage.
     
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