THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?

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    Here is the Alola region:

    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?



    I think we need to zoom in on that a second...

    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?



    Woah woah woah woah woah. Hold your horses. That's a Ho-Oh, 100%.

    Apparently there may also be a Lugia. A bit more of a stretch, but still:

    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?



    Discovered by Verlisify on YouTube, as far as I can tell. So here's my theory on this.

    A lot of people have said that X and Y is supposed to be a throwback to Red and Blue, and Sun and Moon will be, in a sense, Gold and Silver take two. There are many speculations that have risen from this:
    • Sun and Moon's story may be somehow intrinsically linked to X and Y (Lillie is from Kalos? Her name is derived from a flower which is very prominent in X and Y.)
    • Sun and Moon may be direct sequels to X and Y.
    • Ho-Oh and Lugia may be in Sun and Moon.
    • Kalos may be a postgame region in Sun and Moon.

    So this is obviously just bolstering the theory that Ho-Oh and Lugia will be in Sun and Moon. But you may be thinking "What, why? These aren't even their games!"

    Well, consider this:

    Mewtwo was the main legendary of Red and Blue. X and Y were a throwback to Red and Blue, so Mewtwo gained two mega forms - one for X and one for Y.

    Ho-Oh and Lugia were the main legendaries of Gold and Silver. If Sun and Moon are a throwback to Gold and Silver, wouldn't it make sense for them to appear in the same way Mewtwo did? By extensions, would it not make sense for them to gain mega evolutions/primal reversions? They wouldn't need two each like Mewtwo did, as Ho-Oh would be Sun exclusive, and Lugia would be Moon exclusive.

    Thoughts?
     
    Are Sun and Moon a clear throw-back to G/S/C? They certainly aren't doing much to make up for looking significantly different. In addition, what you suggest seems to imply more of a Kalos link than otherwise, generally. They probably wouldn't want to go too far down the route of a G/S/C remake, they'd do it discredit.

    It could just be a boastful Lapras or Relicanth.
     
    I think the clouds are more of a coincidence, though if Ho-Oh and Lugia are shown to be in the game then I may revoke that statement. I know people want to travel back to Kalos but I feel it's likely doubtful, just as much as the chances of older legendaries appearing. It will come down to how much or how few new Pokemon we get before I come to a conclusion on this.
     
    I personally don't see anything in these clouds.
    However, there is that tower on the east island that looks a lot like the Tin Tower.
    Maybe there's something to it.
     
    It is very obvious it is Lugia and Ho-oh, there is no reason for Gamefreak to shape it like that even if it is just a coincident, the artist and Gamefreak are not blind.
     
    There is strong hints that may indicate Lugia and probably Ho-oH are getting Megas or Primals. Or something.

    Lugia was in the Hoopa movie, but quickly sent back. It was the only pokemon on Ash's side that didn't have a form change of any kind. Lugia is the mascot of one of the new theme decks. The sun and moon can be very similar to the 2. The Bird Trio was in XY, which Lugia has strong ties to in most cases. You can see both in the clouds if you pay attention. There is a tower similar to the Bell Tower. There is a new box set coming out that includes both Lugia and Ho-oH. Lugia also is a mascot of one of the card sets with a Break Form.

    Lugia and extremely well known for being in almost every Archipelago. Orange Islands, Whirl Islands, Sevi Islands, Hoenn and its Islands. The only set of islands it doesn't show up in are the Decolore Islands.

    The clouds may not be a hint, but there is a lot of things that are pointing at Lugia and Ho-oH getting Megas.
     
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    I do see the resemblance, but I think it's just a coincidence. I can't really see what connection the Johto legends would have to the Alola Region unless something is revealed that does connect them. I suppose there is that town on the island that strongly resembles Ecruteak City and the Tin Tower, though I don't know whether it just has a similar design based of a different building.
     
    Honestly, you aren't going to see it if you don't have the side by side picture of them. I didn't see it and thought he was crazy, but I can see why some people would think there is a connection. But like I said, there is far more hints than just the clouds.

    Photo from Verlisify's video.
    Spoiler:
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if Lugia and Ho-oh were in the games. Hmm, if Solgaleo and Lunaala are only emissaries of the Sun and Moon, the personifications could still be Ho-oh and Lugia like some of us assumed prior to the announcement of the legendaries.
     
    They look like figures but not like Ho-oh or Lugia, the Ho-oh cloud is kinda a stretch but maybe the Lugia cloud could be hopefully a silhouette of a new legend?
     
    I do see both Pokemon in those clouds. The only thing that works against this theory is that both Lugia and Ho-Oh were in ORAS, the last game in the series to come out. Then again so were just about every other Legendary so maybe that wont be a factor against them appearing at all. IF we could be guaranteed cool designs I wouldn't mind seeing a mega for both of them. Some of the fan-art I've seen for mega versions of Lugia and Ho-Oh have blown me away. I doubt gamefreak could come up with anything near as cool but I'd be curious to see them try.
     
    Speaking as an artist, when you have to draw as many clouds as there are in that image, you start to just...draw shapes after a point. Clouds aren't easy to render well. And design-wise, it doesn't make sense that they're both on the same side of the map--it would be more visually appealing to have one in the upper-left and the other in the bottom-right, or upper-right bottom-left. Because if they're meant to be significant, there should be balance, not just shoving everything onto one side of the illustration. Notice how the region is spread across the image to appear balanced as an example.

    Even looking at the side-by-side comparisons I think it's coincidence at best. Especially the Ho-oh, it really doesn't look like Ho-oh at all. And that's the cloud that's above the giant tree, too. Ho-oh isn't associated with perching on trees but rather the Tin Tower. That being said, which legendary Pokémon could be associated with trees, or better yet, the world tree? If that tree is of importance (which it could be, considering there is heavenly light shining onto it) I'm sure it will be in regards to Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde rather than Ho-oh.

    Now despite all my doubts towards this, I'm still holding out hope that SM will be to gen 2 what XY were to gen 1. So I do think there's a possibility for Ho-oh and Lugia to appear, but not in relation to or because of these clouds.
     
    They could be in there. It's not like the Legendary Trio of bird were mascots in R/B, so they would be exempt. Groudon and Kyogre were in Heart Gold and Soul Silver after they were in RSE, their premiere games. Considering the tropical region, and looking way back at the older promotion cards which has a Hawaiian theme way back in generation 2, to Bellossom's theme, I can see Gold and Silver being an influence in Sun and Moon. Much of the material towards Generation 2 and during were basically of the tropical variety.

    I'll be surprised if we don't get a second choice of starters, let alone the Johto mascots, in the new game.

    Here's what I expect to be in Sun/Moon:

    • The Legendary Dogs. They will fill the same role as the Birds. You get Litten, then you get Suicune. Rowlet, meet Entei, and Popplio meets Raikou. Or maybe all three to break away from a pattern? The last time they could be obtained were at the Gamestop event.
    • The legendary mascots of GS. These will be based on version.
    • A second set of starters to choose from Johto.
    • More Johto Pokemon will show up among the new Pokemon. Unless they reverse the trend and we get 150 new Pokemon, I can see ten to twenty being from there.
    • Mega evolutions for Johto and Sinnoh Pokemon, if not new evolutions. They could ditch the Mega pattern or keep it exclusive to XYORAS save for a token few like starters and the Legendary birds. I'd prefer new evolutions for Pokemon that are sorely underpowered. Or alternate based on the new location.
     
    I'm more perplexed by the tiny island shrouded in fog/clouds; its directly north of the Big Island and west of the island that's based on real-life Maui.
     
    Caaethil said:
    I think we need to zoom in on that a second...

    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?



    Woah woah woah woah woah. Hold your horses. That's a Ho-Oh, 100%.

    Apparently there may also be a Lugia. A bit more of a stretch, but still:

    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?
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    [PokeCommunity.com] THE CLOUDS - Ho-Oh and Lugia in Sun and Moon?


    Can someone tell me what the hell I'm supposed to be looking at? It literally just looks like clouds.

    In all seriousness though, I really don't care. I love the Johto region, it's my favorite 100%, and since X&Y had a number of Kanto throwbacks, maybe there's a change S&M will give some Johto throwbacks, but at the end of the day, I don't care either way.
     
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