Smogon considering retesting some former OUs

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    Yeah... so apparently, they are going to be holding a tourney where they will unban one Uber per round. The schedule is as follows:

    Week 1: Genesect
    Week 2: Mawile
    Week 3: Blaziken
    Week 4: Greninja
    Week 5: Reshiram
    Week 6: Deoxys-D/S
    Week 7: we'll have to see...

    And with all the saved replays, this could bring some retests. Add in Hoopa-U and maybe we'll get a more enjoyable metagame... or not?

    Discuss.
     
    Nah said:
    They're doing retests via a tournament? Sounds a little weird to me....


    loooooooooooooool
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    They're not actually retesting them now, but this could be a good source for the OU council, to see if in the current state of the meta they are broken or not.

    And tbh Greninja and the Deos are more broken than Reshiram at first glance. Then again, Reshiram has never seen the light of OU so maybe I'm wrong
     
    If any of this shit got unbanned I would lose all faith in OU. Kinda surprised Mega Luke isn't on the list though as I feel it could potentially function in OU. Well at least moreso than any of these listed lol
     
    AmourPearlShipper said:
    They're not actually retesting them now, but this could be a good source for the OU council, to see if in the current state of the meta they are broken or not.

    And tbh Greninja and the Deos are more broken than Reshiram at first glance. Then again, Reshiram has never seen the light of OU so maybe I'm wrong
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    Oh so it's to get an idea to see if any of this should get retested.

    I lol'd more at the Reshiram bit because it honestly is a shit 'mon in Ubers and I suppose to found it slightly funny that it's getting a possible retest for some reason.

    That said, I'm not sure if it should be in OU or not. It is crap in Ubers. Dragon/Fire is an amazing STAB combination in OU, as shown my Mega Zard X, but in Ubers it's not terribly useful when there's (Primal) Kyogre and a crapload of Fire resists in the tier. It's also completely outclassed by White Kyurem, who has better Speed and Sp.Attack (both share a SR weakness, although Ice is pretty much a worse defensive typing than Fire, but is arguably a better offensive typing). Dragon STAB in kinda a mixed bag when Dragon is weak to itself and the tier is filled with (better) Dragon types. At least Zekrom isnt SR weak and has the niche of checking the Uber birds (or countering, in Lugia's case) and (Primal) Kyogre pretty well. But what does niche does Reshiram have? Nothing really afaik.

    But really I don't think that really wanna see any of these brought into/back to OU really, except for maybe Genesect.
     
    Woot, Blaziken's finally getting a retest. It's been paper and nails for a long long time and is an easy thing to kill.
     
    Archy said:
    .....LMFAO!!

    This can't get any better, hahaha. Mega Mawile, Blaziken, Greninja, Reshiram... They can fooder the whole OU meta with the proper support, and they don't need a lot of it. Throwing awfully strong Pokemons isn't the way to balance a metagame, in fact. We aren't that far of an interesting meta, only if we could get rid of some Pokemons. I don't really know what's Smogon doing lately with OU, they're screwing it up big time with their moves here, the game is getting even more annoying to play, I don't want to get too deep into "What Smogon should do here" but it's just basic logic, you're not going to stop the fire throwing fuel at it and Smogon here is throwing fuel at the fire that's OU right now. Just look at those Pokemons, their BST, movepool and abilities. It's just insane.
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    keep in mind that they're not actually retesting, just holding a tournament where some Ubers will be unbanned

    most likely, nothing will change to be honest
     
    I would just like to say that being crap or extremely useless in ubers has nothing to do with how they perform in ou, there are so many shit no one uses in ubers that are competed broken and cannot be handled in ou like mega lucario, skymin, reshiram etc.
    Imagine a mon mega zard x, and it's bulky wisp set, increase its bulk substantially and then give it an ability to break pass heatran that should have walled it, that is reshiram.
    I feel like most of this is just for show and none of it will actually get unbanned, but what I am more surprised about is that the ou meta right now is in no way good and rather than fixing broken elements in it they go about looking at weird uber mons that have no place in ou unless you want to make it a shit meta.
    I have no comments on genesect because I never really played an ou meta with it, but God really idgi what's the point of this.
    I know this is not exactly retests and they are just testing it via tournaments, but unless this is just for fun it's a complete time waste
     
    ^ What he said.
    (to hermoine; static ninja'd me haha)

    And echoing whoever said it before, this does sound odd. It almost doesn't seem like something they'd do, but it does sound like a good idea. Not necessarily changing too much too fast, but at least opening the consideration to.
     
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    some of these seem interesting since i didn't play ou when they were allowed in any gen like with genesect and speed boost blaziken. also, the reshiram replays will be great fun.

    can't help but agree with sri a little though. while i think ou's issues are (as usual) overstated, i recall syndrome suggesting a dpp-esque test of multiple suspects at once (random example: a triple suspect of metagross, altaria, and zardx, then voting on all three) which seems superior to me since i think ou probably needs more bans, not fewer. nevertheless, it's an interesting approach. curious to see how it plays out, even though i do tend to agree with sri that i'd be surprised if stuff came down.

    my only real objection id deoxys. this pokemon is cancer. waste of time.
     
    So, am I correct to assume that this is the result of that april fools where they were testing Giratina-O? Testing stuff just to see whether or not it is "not as broken as initially thought". Although, I'm not sure if a simple tournament gives enough data to decide whether some of the mons should get a retest and a potential unban, especially when there's a rotation involved.
     
    Hmm although it would be kinda interesting to see how people would use reshiram lol, I bet it would decimate the entire tier in a sun team lol! Sun teams might actually resurface.
     
    Oh, I'm well aware that just because a Pokemon's shit in Ubers doesn't mean it should be allowed in OU. I just had a couple of glasses of wine and went on a little side rant about why Reshiram sucks ass in Ubers but forgot to talk about why it'd probably not be good to have in OU.

    But who knows, it's possible that nothing will come from this, but it is also still possible (probable is another matter) there might be a future retest for one of these. If that does happen, should it happen before some other test or change to OU? Probably not.

    AmourPearlShipper said:
    except reshi doesn't need sun to screw over the tier.

    basically this thing is able to 2HKO chansey with a bit of prior damage. lol
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    It needs both Specs and sun to 2HKO Chansey after Stealth Rock actually
     
    How about we don't even pretend to consider unbanning some of these? They basically all murder the current meta in one way or another. The only one I can see not having a terrible effect on the meta if reintroduced is Genesect. Even Greninja with its fragility has been proven to be an annoyance in OU.
     
    you guys are reading way too much into this lol, it's just a fun tournament with the rule that 1 uber mon drops every round. it doesn't mean they're even considering retesting any of these.
     
    Nah said:
    Oh, I'm well aware that just because a Pokemon's shit in Ubers doesn't mean it should be allowed in OU. I just had a couple of glasses of wine and went on a little side rant about why Reshiram sucks ass in Ubers but forgot to talk about why it'd probably not be good to have in OU.

    But who knows, it's possible that nothing will come from this, but it is also still possible (probable is another matter) there might be a future retest for one of these. If that does happen, should it happen before some other test or change to OU? Probably not.


    It needs both Specs and sun to 2HKO Chansey after Stealth Rock actually
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    252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Reshiram Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 246-290 (38.3 - 45.1%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

    and in practice it's fairly easy to wear down Chansey, so... (of course, focus miss is focus miss, so you have a rough 50% chance to actually 2HKO it, lol)
     
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