Normal Pokemon-Legendaries = Real Life Animals -Cryptids

[AlphaMightyena]

I have seen a thread saying that there are too many legendaries. But my reasoning they are at a perfect ration to the other Pokemon that are not classified at Legendary.

Here is my reasoning.

So most Pokemon (except the legendaries) are based off of animals in the real world. So.

Legendaries are the odd ones out, like cryptids in the real world. Every continent has their own "monster" that haunts people in there sleep. "Legends" if you will. People come and try and catch a glimpse of them etc.. But there are so many regular animals that they outnumber the cryptids. The same thing in the anime and games where there are statues, legends and paintings depicting mysterious "legendaries"

So every continent has a small number of legendaries, while every region in Pokemon has a number of legendaries *image removed* I'll add more later! Agree or not?

And Here is My List

about the fairies:
*image removed**image removed**image removed* are based on the 3 Sacred Treasures of the Imperial Regalia of Japan.
Uxie=Yata Mirror represents Acuity
Mesprit=Yasakani Necklace represents Verity
Azelf=Kusanagi Sword represents Valor
*image removed**image removed* are based on sea angels (someone mentioned earlier)
*image removed* is based on a fetus, representing the origin of pokemon (mentioned earlier)
*image removed* possibly a reference to Tanabata, a star festival in Japan, or the saying of 'making a wish on a shooting star', or genies. (mentioned)

Also,
*image removed**image removed**image removed**image removed*possibly based on golems (no, not the pokemon) from Hebrew legend. Writing a spell on an inanimate object will put it under your command, which is a reference to the braille on them.
*image removed**image removed**image removed* have a weird origin. However, here's a thread about them. Giratina might be based off a basilisk
Basically, Dialga=time, Palkia=space, Giratina=antimatter
But they could also represent dinosaurs seeing as they are prehistoric and were close to the beginning of the Universe (*image removed*Arceus, also Qilin [already mentioned])... or something like that.
*image removed* possibly based on Ryujin, Shinto sea god, edit: also possibly the Long, the Chinese Dragon, which is said to be the male counterpart of the female Pheonix
*image removed* possibly based on Fenghuang, the Chinese Pheonix
(both already mentioned)
*image removed**image removed**image removed* is based on the Hebrew legends of Leviathan (sea lord), Behemoth (land lord), Ziz (sky lord), respectively.

 

[Timbjerr]

Don't forget the real-world coutnerparts of the first two trio sets from Kanto Johto...

Articuno = Arabic anka
Zapdos = Native American thunderbird
Moltres = Japanese suzaku
Raikou = Japanese raiju
Entei = Japanese aterui
Suicune = Japanese fujin

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Wow.u guys r clever.

What animal is Muk based on then?


hehehehehehehe

 

[Åzurε]

Wow. In addition to normal animal-based pokemon, there are some based on inanimate objects, included are Magnemite (Magnets + metal junk), Voltorb (The in-game item, Pokeball), and Muk (which is quite obviously, toxic sludge). And if you really found that helpful, I pity you. =/

I'll add some legendary input in a sec.

Edit: Okay, here's something on Rayquaza:

There was a third beast along with the Behemoth and Leviathan in Hebrew myth, called the Ziz. It was supposed to block out the sun with it's wings (I seem to recall someone in Lilycove saying a dragon kept him from seeing the sun) and It lived on a Pillar or mountain. It didn't at all resemble what Rayquaza looks like, instead it looked essentially like a Griffin, but then, Behemoth and Leviathan were portrayed as a bull and fish/sea serpent respectively. The Ziz was king of the birds and was a general representation of the sky. Just a little something I dug up.

Owait. You already have that. Nvmnd.

 

[Pokedude45]

Don't forget the real-world coutnerparts of the first two trio sets from Kanto Johto...

Articuno = Arabic anka
Zapdos = Native American thunderbird
Moltres = Japanese suzaku
Raikou = Japanese raiju
Entei = Japanese aterui
Suicune = Japanese fujin

I think Moltres is more like a pheonix

and about pokecryptids

I guess it makes cents

But I cant help thinking there is something different

something you would only understand if you were in the pokeworld culture?

 

[Wings Don't Cry]

I think Moltres is more like a pheonix

If you've seen SDK you'd think Moltres looks way more like a Suzaku, well the anime version anyway, the game(not D/P/P) Moltres is just a chicken on fire.

I think Heatran is meant to be a Salamander, it looks nothing like one but they do have a number of similarities, non physical ones.

 

[AlphaMightyena]

here are addations to the list

about the fairies:
*image removed**image removed**image removed* are based on the 3 Sacred Treasures of the Imperial Regalia of Japan.
Uxie=Yata Mirror represents Acuity
Mesprit=Yasakani Necklace represents Verity
Azelf=Kusanagi Sword represents Valor
*image removed**image removed* are based on sea angels (someone mentioned earlier)
*image removed* is based on a fetus, representing the origin of pokemon (mentioned earlier)
*image removed* possibly a reference to Tanabata, a star festival in Japan, or the saying of 'making a wish on a shooting star', or genies. (mentioned)

Also,
*image removed**image removed**image removed**image removed*possibly based on golems (no, not the pokemon) from Hebrew legend. Writing a spell on an inanimate object will put it under your command, which is a reference to the braille on them.
*image removed**image removed**image removed* have a weird origin. However, here's a thread about them. Giratina might be based off a basilisk
Basically, Dialga=time, Palkia=space, Giratina=antimatter
But they could also represent dinosaurs seeing as they are prehistoric and were close to the beginning of the Universe (*image removed*Arceus, also Qilin [already mentioned])... or something like that.
*image removed* possibly based on Ryujin, Shinto sea god, edit: also possibly the Long, the Chinese Dragon, which is said to be the male counterpart of the female Pheonix
*image removed* possibly based on Fenghuang, the Chinese Pheonix
(both already mentioned)
*image removed**image removed**image removed* is based on the Hebrew legends of Leviathan (sea lord), Behemoth (land lord), Ziz (sky lord), respectively.

Zapdos is based on a thunderbird a bird with a 30 foot wingspan than can controll thunderstorms. cryptid.

Articuno is based eathier on the Arabic anka or the Waterbird a bird that can controll ice at will. also a cryptid.

Moltres is, just like ho-oh, based on a phenix more specificly an Arozoian Phenix. Cryptid

Raikou seemes to be based on the Thundercat ( not the show) exept he's wearing a mask and based also on a sabre tooth tiger. the Thundercat had the Moast Eletric Power and could be seen chargeing it's power in severe thunderstorms. Cryptid.

That's it for Now!

 

[Redstar]

You concept is alright, but falls through when you realize none of the examples you've given are actually cryptids.

 

[Azonic]

Did you really like, reword Bulbapedia's information and make a thread out of it lol?
Pokemon origins clicky here pls

Now to the real point of this thread:
~
No one said that legendary Pokemon were randomly made up, we just said there was an overwhelming quantity of them. If you think that you can use the reason that "they all have origins", well let me just point out to you that there are many more IRL animals, insects, creatures, etc than there are Pokemon in the Pokemon world. We're dealing with proportions and ratios here. The ratio of legendary Pokemon to normal Pokemon is pretty large. They are supposed to be legendary, which implies that they would naturally be extremely rare.

Let me remind you also that most people say that this problem lies mostly in the last two generations. Out of the 35 legendary Pokemon, 10 were introduced in the RSE generation (about a third) and 14 were introduced in the DPPt generation (two-fifths). Out of the 135 Pokemon in the Gen III, about 8% of every Pokemon were legendary. Out of the 107 Pokemon in Gen IV, 13% of all of them were legendary. That's a LOT from only two generations. :/ IF legendary "animals" did exist IRL, would they be that common? Especially out of only two regions?

Most Pokemon WILL have an origin as to why they are created, but if they do use every single story in the world to create a Pokemon, there would be endless amounts of legendary Pokemon, so your point is moot.

Anyways, here's another thing: people see what they want to see in a pile of information. People can search for possibilities to what Jirachi was based on, while Jirachi could have been just a random thought all along. (Jirachi = example btw.)

 

[Redstar]

Did you really like, reword Bulbapedia's information and make a thread out of it lol?
Pokemon origins clicky here pls

Now to the real point of this thread:
~
No one said that legendary Pokemon were randomly made up, we just said there was an overwhelming quantity of them. If you think that you can use the reason that "they all have origins", well let me just point out to you that there are many more IRL animals, insects, creatures, etc than there are Pokemon in the Pokemon world. We're dealing with proportions and ratios here. The ratio of legendary Pokemon to normal Pokemon is pretty large. They are supposed to be legendary, which implies that they would naturally be extremely rare.

Let me remind you also that most people say that this problem lies mostly in the last two generations. Out of the 35 legendary Pokemon, 10 were introduced in the RSE generation (about a third) and 14 were introduced in the DPPt generation (two-fifths). Out of the 135 Pokemon in the Gen III, about 8% of every Pokemon were legendary. Out of the 107 Pokemon in Gen IV, 13% of all of them were legendary. That's a LOT from only two generations. :/ IF legendary "animals" did exist IRL, would they be that common? Especially out of only two regions?

Most Pokemon WILL have an origin as to why they are created, but if they do use every single story in the world to create a Pokemon, there would be endless amounts of legendary Pokemon, so your point is moot.

Anyways, here's another thing: people see what they want to see in a pile of information. People can search for possibilities to what Jirachi was based on, while Jirachi could have been just a random thought all along. (Jirachi = example btw.)

/agreed.

I can understand different regions and areas having Pokemon of legendary proportion, due to local legends and myths. But GF seems to have gone a bit overboard with the third and fourth generation.

I mean, would it really have been so hard to simply make Darkrai and Cresselia, among others, a pseudo-legendary akin to Arcanine and Dragonite? Their legends in-game could remain the same, but their stats could be lowered a bit and they'd be breedable. Seriously, not every legend in real life is a god.

 

[AlphaMightyena]

And Yet, More Story Addations! YaY!

about the fairies:
*image removed**image removed**image removed* are based on the 3 Sacred Treasures of the Imperial Regalia of Japan.
Uxie=Yata Mirror represents Acuity
Mesprit=Yasakani Necklace represents Verity
Azelf=Kusanagi Sword represents Valor
*image removed**image removed* are based on sea angels (someone mentioned earlier)
*image removed* is based on a fetus, representing the origin of pokemon (mentioned earlier)
*image removed* possibly a reference to Tanabata, a star festival in Japan, or the saying of 'making a wish on a shooting star', or genies. (mentioned)

Also,
*image removed**image removed**image removed**image removed*possibly based on golems (no, not the pokemon) from Hebrew legend. Writing a spell on an inanimate object will put it under your command, which is a reference to the braille on them.
*image removed**image removed**image removed* have a weird origin. However, here's a thread about them. Giratina might be based off a basilisk
Basically, Dialga=time, Palkia=space, Giratina=antimatter ( if you didn't alreadly know that )
But they could also represent dinosaurs seeing as they are prehistoric and were close to the beginning of the Universe (*image removed*Arceus, also Qilin [already mentioned])... or something like that.
*image removed* possibly based on Ryujin, Shinto sea god, edit: also possibly the Long, the Chinese Dragon, which is said to be the male counterpart of the female Pheonix
*image removed* possibly based on Fenghuang, the Chinese Pheonix
(both already mentioned)
*image removed**image removed**image removed* is based on the Hebrew legends of Leviathan (sea lord), Behemoth (land lord), Ziz (sky lord), respectively.Zapdos is based on a thunderbird a bird with a 30 foot wingspan than can controll thunderstorms. cryptid.

Zapdos is based on a thunderbird a bird with a 30 foot wingspan than can controll thunderstorms. cryptid

Articuno is based eathier on the Arabic anka or the Waterbird a bird that can controll ice at will. also a cryptid.

Moltres is, just like ho-oh, based on a phenix more specificly an Arozoian Phenix. Cryptid

Raikou seemes to be based on the Thundercat ( not the show) exept he's wearing a mask and based also on a sabre tooth tiger. the Thundercat had the Moast Eletric Power and could be seen chargeing it's power in severe thunderstorms. Cryptid.

Entei basicly a dog, but looks like it can be based on the firefox, a half dog half fox like creature who's roar can make a volcano explode.

Suicune reminds me of a Water horse, it's powers of purfying water were well, legendary.

That's it for Now! but before i hit the road,

Did you really like, reword Bulbapedia's information and make a thread out of it lol?
Pokemon origins clicky here pls

Now to the real point of this thread:
~
No one said that legendary Pokemon were randomly made up, we just said there was an overwhelming quantity of them. If you think that you can use the reason that "they all have origins", well let me just point out to you that there are many more IRL animals, insects, creatures, etc than there are Pokemon in the Pokemon world. We're dealing with proportions and ratios here. The ratio of legendary Pokemon to normal Pokemon is pretty large. They are supposed to be legendary, which implies that they would naturally be extremely rare.

Let me remind you also that most people say that this problem lies mostly in the last two generations. Out of the 35 legendary Pokemon, 10 were introduced in the RSE generation (about a third) and 14 were introduced in the DPPt generation (two-fifths). Out of the 135 Pokemon in the Gen III, about 8% of every Pokemon were legendary. Out of the 107 Pokemon in Gen IV, 13% of all of them were legendary. That's a LOT from only two generations. :/ IF legendary "animals" did exist IRL, would they be that common? Especially out of only two regions?

Most Pokemon WILL have an origin as to why they are created, but if they do use every single story in the world to create a Pokemon, there would be endless amounts of legendary Pokemon, so your point is moot.

Anyways, here's another thing: people see what they want to see in a pile of information. People can search for possibilities to what Jirachi was based on, while Jirachi could have been just a random thought all along. (Jirachi = example btw.)

you forgot to read this:

So most Pokemon (except the legendaries) are based off of animals in the real world. So.

plus, the point of the thread is trying to see why exactly there are alot of legends, not trying to find the base of them, but that was just a bouns. There is an Orgin for everything, so speaking, thats why we have 493 pokemon now and there is no way of them slowing down.

Anyway's, feel free to add to the list!

 

[Azonic]

So most Pokemon (except the legendaries) are based off of animals in the real world. So.

plus, the point of the thread is trying to see why exactly there are alot of legends, not trying to find the base of them, but that was just a bouns. There is an Orgin for everything, so speaking, thats why we have 493 pokemon now and there is no way of them slowing down.

Anyway's, feel free to add to the list!

Um, there are a lot of legends because the creators decided to put a lot of legends into a certain generation...? It wasn't that hard to figure out. Apparently legendaries are one of the attractive features of Pokemon that captures a fan's interest, but apparently they didn't know it was ruining originality and the "reputation" of legendary Pokemon.

There is an origin for everything, but everything doesn't have to be an origin.

 

[LegendMaster97]

but what does anyone think about what i call the special 4? they are split between fans!!!! think of all the arguments about them!! what do you think???

 

[Camisado]

but what does anyone think about what i call the special 4? they are split between fans!!!! think of all the arguments about them!! what do you think???

Pray tell, what exactly is it you call the Special 4? =|

All I'm saying is, it'd help if we knew what you're talking about. >>

 

[Ayselipera]

Um, there are a lot of legends because the creators decided to put a lot of legends into a certain generation...? It wasn't that hard to figure out. Apparently legendaries are one of the attractive features of Pokemon that captures a fan's interest, but apparently they didn't know it was ruining originality and the "reputation" of legendary Pokemon.

There is an origin for everything, but everything doesn't have to be an origin.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[LegendMaster97]

Pray tell, what exactly is it you call the Special 4? =|

All I'm saying is, it'd help if we knew what you're talking about. >>

Rotom Lucario Spiritomb and Riolu, half the fans say they arent legendaries half do.....

 

[Redstar]

Rotom Lucario Spiritomb and Riolu, half the fans say they arent legendaries half do.....

Spiritomb is, none of the others are. That's pretty obvious.

 

[The Scientist]

Rotom Lucario Spiritomb and Riolu, half the fans say they arent legendaries half do.....

Legendary Pokemon seem to be defined by a) being responsible for creating the universe and/or controlling natural phenomena and b) having human legends associated with them.

Rotom: The main argument for it being a Legendary Pokemon is the music that plays when you battle it. The other is that it only appears after you beat the Elite 4. However, lots of Legendaries appear before you beat the Elite 4, which pretty much nullifies that argument. There are no legends regarding Rotom, and it didn't really create anything. NOT A LEGENDARY.

Lucario: The arguments for Lucario fall into one of two categories: he was in a movie, and he has "special psychic/aura powers". Argument I isn't even worth a rebuttal. Regarding Argument II, most Psychic, and maybe even Ghost-types, can talk to people psychically. Also, there are a few other non-Psychic type Pokemon that exhibit psychokinetic powers (Golduck, anyone?) Togekiss learns Aura Sphere too. There are no legends regarding Lucario, and it didn't really create anything. NOT A LEGENDARY.

Spiritomb: Nothing special here, just a punished Ghost-type made up of 108 unidentified spirits. One could argue that there is a legend regarding Spiritomb (fulfilling part b of the Legendary criteria), but Spiritomb was wasn't responsible for helping create the universe, and it doesn't control natural phenomena. Closer, but still NOT A LEGENDARY.

Riolu: See Lucario.

 

[Redstar]

Legendary Pokemon seem to be defined by a) being responsible for creating the universe and/or controlling natural phenomena and b) having human legends associated with them.

Spiritomb: Nothing special here, just a punished Ghost-type made up of 108 unidentified spirits. One could argue that there is a legend regarding Spiritomb (fulfilling part b of the Legendary criteria), but Spiritomb was wasn't responsible for helping create the universe, and it doesn't control natural phenomena. Closer, but still NOT A LEGENDARY.

Disagreed. Unown didn't create the universe, nor is he able to control "natural phenomena", yet he's a legendary. Mew didn't create the universe, and, again, nor is he able to control natural phenomena. Deoxys is simply an alien. Arcanine is a dog that shoots fire from his mouth, but otherwise isn't too special... Yet they're all legendaries. In this way, so is Spiritomb. Case closed.

 

[Curt_09]

Disagreed. Unown didn't create the universe, nor is he able to control "natural phenomena", yet he's a legendary. Mew didn't create the universe, and, again, nor is he able to control natural phenomena. Deoxys is simply an alien. Arcanine is a dog that shoots fire from his mouth, but otherwise isn't too special... Yet they're all legendaries. In this way, so is Spiritomb. Case closed.

I'm sorry, I think I just broke my keyboard facedesking.
I think I missed the part about Arcanine being a legendary. Let me do a double take here... Arcanine is included in legends, as are Lapras and Dragonite, but is not a legendary pokemon. FYI there is a legend about Magikarp. By your logic the most feeble and annoying pokemon in the game is legendary. Why use Arcanine as an example?
Unown were featured in a movie and had the ability to create a new reality from the imagination of a little girl. The ability to distort space to that extent? Chalk it up as a legendary. Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon and boasts nearly unmatched power. Legendary. Deoxys come from outer space and can morph into different forms, changing his stats and abilities as well. He wields an unearthly power as well. Anything that can give Rayquaza a run for its money is a legendary.

Flame off.