Is Hyper Beam really THAT good on Porygon-Z?

[Sora_8920]

Yes. Is it? Really, remember, it has a recharge turn. And on the recharge turn, the following things can happen: 1.) *Opponent Swithes into Scarfcross* Hi, Porygon-Z. Porygon-Z: ugh.. *Paralzed by Hyper Beam* Heracross: Too bad for you, then. *Close Combat's* Porygon-Z NO! *Faints* Or 2.) Because of Porygon-Z's base 70 Defense, the opponent just says bye to Porygon-Z, and then attacks with a random physical move. Opponent: Bye! Have a nice day! Porygon-Z: uh-oh. *Faints* *cough cough physical fighting attack especially strong cough cough*

 

[Faceless*]

Porygon-Z can survive an Earthquake from Chomp if it has Max HP EV's >_>

It is good in some circumstances, I run my Porygon-Z with Sub/Hyper Beam, works out really well

 

[GeneralGuy]

Choice Specs, Adaptability + Hyper Beam, and maximum Special Attack could probably take out standard Calm Blissey in one hit.

 

[Faceless*]

Choice Specs, Adaptability + Hyper Beam, and maximum Special Attack could probably take out standard Calm Blissey in one hit.

It's like a trade then, predict what your opponent will switch into, obliterate that Pokemon (you are VERY unlucky if it's a Ghost Pokemon..), and trade it with your Porygon-Z with your opponent sending out a revenge killer (or if you're lucky, your Porygon-Z may survive.. LOL)

 

[Syaoran]

No IMO. There are better ways of killing Blissey than having to put one of your sweepers at a huge risk.

 

[Sora_8920]

No IMO. There are better ways of killing Blissey than having to put one of your sweepers at a huge risk.

Thank you. Hyper Beam shouldn't really be used. IMO. Nada. Never.

 

[El Gofre]

I'd rather have 2 STABed returns in the same period of time.

 

[Sora_8920]

I'd rather have 2 STABed returns in the same period of time.

Return on Porygon-Z? Please tell me your kidding. It might not be good for one basic reason: It's Physical. Porygon-Z's Base Attack Stats is 80, whilst, his Base Special Attack Stats is 135. Tell me which one is better. :/

 

[Dark Azelf]

Return on Porygon-Z? Please tell me your kidding. It might not be good for one basic reason: It's Physical. Porygon-Z's Base Attack Stats is 80, whilst, his Base Special Attack Stats is 135. Tell me which one is better. :/

Return 2hkos Blissey

Porygon-z@Life Orb
252ATK/40SP.ATK/216SPeeD
Rash / Mild Nature
Trait : Adaptability
- Nasty Plot
- Return
- Tri Attack
- Dark pulse

Between Life Orb, Adaptability and Return its a 2hko on 714/130 standard blissey. Idea is to Nasty Plot on the turn blissey switches in make them think you are special, switch back out and the next time you predict Blissey switch in Return on the switch in for the 2hko.


Tri attack for your PROPER STAB move.

Dark Pulse allows you to hit ghosts who wall you otherwise.

Nasty Plot allows you to sweep later in the game once blissey is gone.


Hyper Beam is by no means bad, but it takes alot of setting up.

Porygon-z@Life Orb / Wise Glasses
40 HP / 216 SPEED / 252 SP.ATT
Modest Nature
Trait :Adaptability
- Hyper Beam
- Substitute
- Nasty plot
- Dark pulse

This set is deadly.

Ok the idea here is to Nasty Plot when Blissey switches in, set a sub up when it tries to thunderwave you and then hyper Beam from behind the sub to prevent revenge kills and to ohko blissey. Any ghost stupid enough to switch in gets hammered by Dark pulse.

Like i said it needs the right circumstances to work, but is no means bad if it brings down Blissey and just about everything else aswell.

 

[Eleventyseventy]

Return on Porygon-Z? Please tell me your kidding. It might not be good for one basic reason: It's Physical. Porygon-Z's Base Attack Stats is 80, whilst, his Base Special Attack Stats is 135. Tell me which one is better. :/

I think he was just using any strong Normal type attack as an example that does much more than Hyper Beam in 2 turns.

Hyper Beam does alright on Porygon-Z. Probably one of the only pokemon that can make use of it.
As people have said, it can OHKO Blissey which gives a huge advantage.
If you're left 1 on 1 with Porygon-Z up against Blissey, you use Tri Attack, Blissey doesn't faint, and you get T-Waved. And Blissey will end up taking the victory.

Although, when up against a team with no Blissey (there's more out there than you think. I, for one, hate blissey), there's not much need for Hyper Beam and its turning Hyper Beam into a complete waste, because Tri Attack could be giving you a STABed attack with no charging necessary, and can sweep through teams.

So either works.
I'd go with the standard Tri Attack.

 

[Samson]

mixed return porygon-z is actually a very viable set. it just leaves it very vulnerable to attacks.

hyperbeam is a great move on porygon-z. like i said, it's saved my butt plenty of times in battles. and your concern for it being taking out during that downturn -- it's all about prediction and timing. if they would usually switch in a special wall, you don't use it. if you see that they have a bulky fighter ready with a STAB move, then you could use it on the switch and OHKO them.

 

[El Gofre]

I actually find return on Pory Z to make a good blissey counter (Which I think has been said). Boltbeam offers coverage, and when a special wall comes in it saves having to swith out. Yes theres no denying his special attack is far superior, but why do people run fire blast on garchomp if his physical is far higher?

 

[Anti]

Who said anything about it being good? Hyper Beam has its consequences, but you'd have to be a TOTAL moron to hyper beam at something with a heracross lurking. Really, if you are smart enough using it, Pory Z makes use of it well for bliss killing.

Seriously, you'd have to be an idiot to let the scenario in the first post play out. You can set up a sub or just get rid of heracross or whoever it may be.

Hyper Beam is by no means great, but saying it totally blows is just no.

Though I do agree with Syaoran, there are better ways to kill blissey, but some people prefer hyper beam I suppose.

 

[Toodlies]

I actually haven't seen a Hyper Beam Pory on Shoddy at all. And I'm assuming that's because most players dislike the recharge turn.

 

[Towlie]

Hyper Beam OHKOs a Blissey with a Nasty Plot, I believe. I'll run damage calcs later.

 

[sims796]

Hyper Beam OHKOs a Blissey with a Nasty Plot, I believe. I'll run damage calcs later.

Well Towlie, we all know that now. However, the bigger quesion is...is it woth it?

Losing a good sweeper (cause lets face it, after Hyper Beam, he's a goner) just to wipe out one poke? Not worth it, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to wipe out a Blissey.

 

[Anti]

Well Towlie, we all know that now. However, the bigger quesion is...is it woth it?

Losing a good sweeper (cause lets face it, after Hyper Beam, he's a goner) just to wipe out one poke? Not worth it, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to wipe out a Blissey.

True, which is why subpassing or just using sub on Pory Z can really pay off :P

 

[Toodlies]

Hyper Beam OHKOs a Blissey with a Nasty Plot, I believe. I'll run damage calcs later.

It's Adaptability + Nasty Plot + Life Orb = OHKO on Bliss. You also need 252 EV's in Sp. Atk and a nature that raises Sp. Atk.

 

[Faceless*]

Tri Attack > Hyper Beam. It's better to status Blissey than just to waste a turn using an overpowered move trying to kill it. WAY more ways to kill Blissey. Remember, it isn't immortal.

Blissey is immortal with Softboiled, it has Seismic Toss, you wear Blissey down, it heals, it Tosses you

The point is to take out Blissey as fast as possible without getting the Paralyze or a nasty Toss from it while it heals

 

[Faceless*]

But if you get lucky, and perhaps paralyze it with a Tri attack, the chances of that happening decrease by a bit. Well it's better than nothing, anyhow. Paralyzing it is always useful to me, since it gives me more time to plan out my things.

Since this is competitive play, there will be people who will find a way around that, however.

It's 30% chance of getting one status and Blissey has a healing move, Aromatherapy