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3rd Gen How come groudon is not part fire?

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    How come groudon is not part fire? its team magma's ancient pokemon
     
    I would probably take that up with Game Freak...
     
    First off, it isn't Team Magma's Poke. They were just trying to capture it. Also, if it were part Fire, it would immediately drop from being the greatest Legendary ever. Being 4x weak to Water wouldn't be too smart.
     
    Um, Kyogre is the best legendary uber there is iirc. Double-STAB Surf with increibly high Special Attack power and Calm Mind to hammer more. Groudon's Ability doesn't work as much in its favor, considering that its Special Attack is worse and everybody seems to use Thunder Wave/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Swords Dance so there's not too much it can do from the sun.
     
    I always thought Groudon was fire. o_o lol I never looked. And don't be mean and try to shut mrplanters down. He was just saying that Groudon was made for Team Magma. And even though Groudon isn't fire, it is still weak against Kyogre. So it doesn't really matter. Kyogre should be able to beat it anyway.
     
    Groudon controls the land, Team Magma wants to increase the world's landmass therefore they try to gain control over Groudon.

    Kyogre controls the ocean, Team Aqua wants to increase the size of the worlds oceans therefore they try to gain control over Kyogre.

    hope that helped.
     
    Lord Mike said:
    Um, Kyogre is the best legendary uber there is iirc.
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    No, Kyogre gets totally owned by Shedinja. The best ubers are Groudon or Mewtwo.

    And like shane said, making it Fire/Ground would give it a 4x Water weakness while adding no beneficial resistances, so it's better off as pure Ground.

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    Isn`t Rayquaza better than Groudon? I mean, ground is ineffective against dragon and flying is super effective against ground......right?
     
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    Umm, no, Flying is NOT supereffective against Ground and Ground is not ineffective against Dragon. You need to review your type match-ups.

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    Although, Groudon has fire attacks and the constant Sunny Day (can't remember the ability), it is still considered a Ground type because Groudon is the Continent Pokemon (the spirit of the 'Earth').

    And doesn't Sunny Day lower the power of Water attacks?
     
    Lord Mike, or YoMama, or whatever your name is, you are taking Kyogre's and Groudon's trait at face value. Sure Drizzle works great for Kyogre and accentuates its moves, but Drought works differently. You can bring Drought in and ruin Drizzle, but you cannot bring Drizzle in to ruin Drought. Groudon doesn't depend on its Ability as much as Kyogre does. Drought is more defensive, first by cutting Water attacks in half, and then upping Fire attacks by half so it take care of Grass-types too. You can switch in a Groudon on a Kyogre, but switching a Kyogre in on a Groudon is extremely risky. Groudon's 150 base Atk takes advantage of Kyogre's 90 base Def, especially with a Choice Band or Swords Dance.

    Here is what Drought does:

    Cancels effects of all other weather moves. Increases power of Fire attacks by 50%; halves the power of Water attacks; Solarbeam fires in one turn; Thunder is 50% accurate; Prevents Freezing

    Rayquaza pales to Groudon, mainly because of that 4x weakness to Ice. Well, that and Rock Slide/HP [Rock] is prevalant on almost any Groudon set, while Ice Beam isn't on Rayquaza.

    If Mewtwo and Groudon faced off head-to-head, Mewtwo would win as it would get in two attacks. That said, in the uber metagame, most of them are vulnerable physically, which makes Groudon the best.
     
    in reality,magma is pretty much earth type.Groudon,like said before,creates land.to create land,you'd need magma.so the reason team magma has fire pokemon is either a small mistake for magma and actual fire,or just to rival team aqua.....catch my drift?...
     
    Ok, first off all, if you raise your pokemon correctly you can pwn almost anything no matter what type it is. Secondly, the tv show never said groudon was a fire type, team magma just wanted groudon because of it's ability to control the land and sun's rays to manipulate the water on earth through evaporation.

    Raising Groudon the natural way without any items or tms
    Mainly you want to make it as strong as possible by raising lvl and not making it faint so it trusts you more. So always keep it in party etc...
    Second of all there are 4 types of pokemon strategy types and the skills that it has occur with the type you chose... herez a lil guide

    Full Range Offensive: (Nothing but attacks, the strongest attacks of groudon's should be used in all 4 - Earthquake, fire blast, solar beam, and eruption)

    Defence Anhilation: (Mainly you decrease your opponent's accuracy making them miss you with almsot every attack, as well as defence wise. While you buff up your own pokemon and waste all their PP, then strike with final blow --Skills used: Mud shot, Scary Face, Ancient power/bulk up, Rest)

    Strategy Tactician: (Same as Defencer but uses a more evil way to kill ur opponent by slow death. What I mean is poison, burn, etc. in order to kill them... Evil No? Groudon's skills used Mud shot, Scary Face, Fire Blast, Fissure)

    Speed Trickster: (As the name implies but for groudon you cannot be this type naturally due to it's speed is slow and none of the tricky types of attacks. Mainly what this is, it's using all attacks/skills that makes ur opponent miss their turn to attack and u attack them when you go back to normal: such as Fly, Dig, Dive, etc., also remember though u need to decrease their accuracy so they wont hit as often as well as their defence if wanted. But whats a speed trickster without speed no? remember quick attack is most basic but this also implies to One Hit KO type moves so have at least 1 or the other and there ya go)

    Raising Groudon with items and tms
    Notice I did not say HMs, nobody would use a HM on a legendary pokemon always use on the ones u use less. Mainly you use items such as PP up, Hp up, iron, etc to buff ur groudon to pwn all pokemon and use the most powerful tms there are to make it invincible. Just follow the guide in how to make the perfect Groudon.
     
    Why would it be a Fire type? It's just the creator of the land. Besides, Groudon would just be worse as a Fire/Ground type. A 4x weakness against Water, normal damage from Rock attacks and a weakness against Ground isn't exactly the best thing you could give a Pokémon. =\
    Ok, first off all, if you raise your pokemon correctly you can pwn almost anything no matter what type it is. Secondly, the tv show never said groudon was a fire type, team magma just wanted groudon because of it's ability to control the land and sun's rays to manipulate the water on earth through evaporation.

    Raising Groudon the natural way without any items or tms
    Mainly you want to make it as strong as possible by raising lvl and not making it faint so it trusts you more. So always keep it in party etc...
    Second of all there are 4 types of pokemon strategy types and the skills that it has occur with the type you chose... herez a lil guide

    Full Range Offensive: (Nothing but attacks, the strongest attacks of groudon's should be used in all 4 - Earthquake, fire blast, solar beam, and eruption)

    Defence Anhilation: (Mainly you decrease your opponent's accuracy making them miss you with almsot every attack, as well as defence wise. While you buff up your own pokemon and waste all their PP, then strike with final blow --Skills used: Mud shot, Scary Face, Ancient power/bulk up, Rest)

    Strategy Tactician: (Same as Defencer but uses a more evil way to kill ur opponent by slow death. What I mean is poison, burn, etc. in order to kill them... Evil No? Groudon's skills used Mud shot, Scary Face, Fire Blast, Fissure)

    Speed Trickster: (As the name implies but for groudon you cannot be this type naturally due to it's speed is slow and none of the tricky types of attacks. Mainly what this is, it's using all attacks/skills that makes ur opponent miss their turn to attack and u attack them when you go back to normal: such as Fly, Dig, Dive, etc., also remember though u need to decrease their accuracy so they wont hit as often as well as their defence if wanted. But whats a speed trickster without speed no? remember quick attack is most basic but this also implies to One Hit KO type moves so have at least 1 or the other and there ya go)

    Raising Groudon with items and tms
    Notice I did not say HMs, nobody would use a HM on a legendary pokemon always use on the ones u use less. Mainly you use items such as PP up, Hp up, iron, etc to buff ur groudon to pwn all pokemon and use the most powerful tms there are to make it invincible. Just follow the guide in how to make the perfect Groudon.
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    Please don't do something like that to Groudon. It makes Groudon very sad, yes it does. ;-; What Groudon needs is Earthquake, Rockslide, Swords Dance/Bulk Up and Thunder Wave/Fire Blast/Filler. What you did to Groudon (Even though I do hate it. <.<) is unforgivable.
     
    Don't forget Brick Break, Smarties. A decent Fighting attack will always do you good, especially against Ice-type monsters. And Groudon's Special Attack is laughable, so I'd forgo the Fire Blast or Solarbeam myself (and I shudder at how I used to ply it with those moves...).
     
    Crystal Walrein is right. Groudons SP. Attack isn`t too good to support a powerful fire blast, flamethrower or solar-beam.
     
    Don't forget Brick Break, Smarties. A decent Fighting attack will always do you good, especially against Ice-type monsters. And Groudon's Special Attack is laughable, so I'd forgo the Fire Blast or Solarbeam myself (and I shudder at how I used to ply it with those moves...).
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    Fire Blast is to counter those pesky physical walls that would otherwise LOL at Groudon. I agree with you on Solarbeam, though. It's just laughable on Groudon. But even though Groudon's Sp.Atk isn't all that great, Fire Blast and Thunder are both useful for Groudon. Thunder surprises Kyogre on the switch and has a high chance of paralyzing it, too, and I already said why Fire Blast is useful on Groudon. Of course Groudon won't have trouble taking down a physical wall after a couple of Swords Dances, but getting a Toxic or another nasty condition on you isn't really that good either. =\ And Brick Break is pretty much useless on Groudon. It doesn't give any type coverage in the uber metagame and Earthquake and Rock Slide together take care of everything Brick Break does.
     
    Yeah, my Groudon is pretty sad too with his solarbeams and whatnots, but at the time I traded it from my friend (mainly for pokedex) I was the stereotype poke-n00b with no knowledge about stats or EVs. I'm still not going to use him though. :/
     
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