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1st Gen First gym battle vs Brock OMG SO ANNOYING

futiledevices

futiledevices

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    So I recently bought Red in the eShop, with the intent of racing through it (as I never race through Pokemon), catching minimal Pokemon, so I can bring Charizard and Zapdos etc into my Pokemon Bank. Anyway it was all going well, enjoying just getting Charmander powerful quickly rather than trying to also level up a Rattata and a Pidgey, and I beat the trainer in Brock's gym and his Geodude.

    But then it was my Lv8 Kakuna vs his Onix. I had hit Onix with Charmander's Growl six times, so it's Atk was at its lowest. So I thought my Kakuna would be able to take it out; I'd String Shot when he used Bide and then Poison Sting to take out its remaining health.

    BUT EVERY SINGLE TIME I used Poison Sting THE ATTACK MISSED. What the fuck happened? All 35 times. It doesn't make any sense. I know Poison Sting is 1/4 effective against Ground/Rock, so it would probably do 1HP of damage, but Ground/Rock is not immune to Poison... and Poison Sting's accuracy is 100 so it shouldn't miss 35 times.

    Can someone explain this to me?!
     
    I beat Brock easily the second time (have three badges now) but still don't get why Poison Sting missed 35 times in a row against a Ground/Rock type?
     
    Charmander/Charmeleon on the first two Gyms is surely the most anal route. If you want to use that, you probably want to catch a few more Pokémon near the beginning to ease the monotony, as otherwise it will tend towards repetition of the same strategy. Other than that, it seems a bit strange that the move missed that much, especially if it could have had an effect. You might want to check if such behaviour is repeated in Mt. Moon. If not, it might not be a type issue.

    That said, Poison is resisted by both ground and rock, so it might be a similar issue, it might not do enough damage to count.

    There are a few weaknesses and such in the first Gen, such as Psychic's immunity to Ghosts, which aren't present in later iterations. These might be useful, although of course Poison attacks early in the game might be slightly less pronounced.

    That said, Bide makes the first Gym battle significantly less annoying. In addition, unlike Roxanne, there was actually space for variety rather than just the repetition of one move, which is really a bit of a stale way to begin the thing.
     
    illumine said:
    That said, Poison is resisted by both ground and rock, so it might be a similar issue, it might not do enough damage to count.
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    ?? This is something I've seen written elsewhere, too. It must be a bug in the game or something. Because it should surely do 1HP of damage.
     
    On the rare occasions I picked Charmander I'd always also get Nidoran♂ to at least double kick all of Brock's team.

    But the poison sting incident must have been an issue with Red/Blue's wacky RNG. Accuracy isn't exactly 100% of what the accuracy percentage says, and can be manipulated.
     
    Yeah, as the others said Red/Blue and perhaps Yellow's RNG is pretty weird with its RNG in addition to which types are effective/ineffective against with. Concerning using Pokemon against Brock, can't remember if I chose Charmander in one of my older Red/Yellow playthroughs, but on a recent Yellow playthrough for the 3DS version I decided to have Nidoran male since my Pikachu won't do much damage.
     
    Like most beginning Trainers, I had lots of trouble with Brock, especially in Yellow, as I was ignorant of the type chart at the time, even though it was clearly printed in the game manual (this was back when I had a physical Game Pak of Yellow that I got new for Christmas back in 1999). At that time, I thought the only way to be effective against Brock was to trade for a Bulbasaur or Squirtle from Red or Blue.

    As for Poison Sting not being able to ever hit despite no modifications to accuracy or evasiveness, I'm going to go along with Deokishisu in saying that it's because Poison Sting has such low base power (15), coupled with the fact that Rock/Ground doubly resists Poison (quarter the normal damage), and both Geodude and Onix have incredibly high standard Defense stats, that spamming Poison Sting on these Pokémon would be futile under any circumstance.
     
    Yeah brock was annoying. I choose Charmander as always and was upset about the movesets. However after you realize that brock is merly a team effort due to lack of water or grass types he is actually easy.

    Once you learn ember or have poison sting the BRN or PSN factor takes him out quickly. With Pickachu I think the Japanese Yellow ( we brought early ) has a super effective move against him.
     
    Charmander with no Metal Claw move is a pain in the butt. I got Metal Claw at like Level 13? Choose Squirtle or Bulbasaur if you want to have an easy adventure.
     
    Except Charmander doesn't learn Metal Claw in R/B/Y. That move was introduced to the line in FR/LG, so leveling up Charmander to level 13 to get a new move to beat Brock won't help in these games.

    I've used Charmander as my starter several times, including my most recent file of Blue. I faced Brock with a Charmander, Pidgey, Rattata, and a female Nidoran. (Which I read are Pokemon you didn't want to raise up...) The way I got through Brock was by Growling/Leering Onix and Geodude until their stats wouldn't go down anymore, and then just used Ember to cause the most damage.

    Late advice, but necessary to keep in mind when choosing Charmander as the starter. It requires a little more time and thought to get through the beginning of the game then.

    With Pickachu I think the Japanese Yellow ( we brought early ) has a super effective move against him.
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    Pikachu doesn't learn any super-effective moves against Rock types that early in the game by leveling up. Leveling up Pikachu enough that it learns Slam (at level 20) is the only way I've heard people defeating Brock with only Pikachu.
     
    You can still win reasonably easy with Charmander... you just have to Growl Geodude/Onix so their attacks don't do much, heal with Potions and spam Ember because both their Special stats are low.
     
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