Bronzong!

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    Source: https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species:_Bronzor_and_Bronzong

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    Quite simply put, this Pokémon family is absolutely fascinating. If you can't be bothered to read the story, it boils down to Bronzor being based on a bronze mirror and Bronzong a bronze bell, fitting in with an old Japanese legend of a church asking for bronze mirror donations to smelt into a new bronze bell for the church. A woman gives her bronze mirror as a donation but is still attached to it and regrets it, so the mirror will not melt (Heatproof). She wants the mirror back and contemplates stealing it, which drives her to suicide from the guilt she feels. This allows for the mirror to be melted down with the rest of them to form the bell, however the woman left a note upon death stating that if someone could break the bell that had forsaken her life so much, they would be rewarded with great riches. This also carried a curse however, that they would then be sent to an eternity in hell once they've died. The story ends with the bell causing so much trouble with people trying to destroy it that the church rolls it into a swamp, where it was then left (playing on Bronzong's Diamond Pokédex entry).

    The actual story is somewhat darker and there's a lot of interesting context/facts provided, so it's certainly worth a read if you haven't. What I'd like to know is how do you feel about Bronzong in light of this story? Do you like Bronzong? Did you like Bronzong before and you don't now, or vice versa? Is it a Pokémon that you expected to have such an interesting story to it? Had you ever contemplated Bronzong's design and background before?

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    Feel free to answer all, any or none of the questions when responding, but I personally found this story to be absolutely incredible haha. Some Pokémon origins truly are fascinating!
     
    This is the best story I've read on that series of Bulbagarden articles. Some pokémon have such obscure myths behind them, it really is quite fascinating. The family this thread is focused on always did look quite mysterious, though, so I'm not at all surprised at their origin!
     
    A lot of Pokemon are based on lores, some of which are fascinating to look into. Obvious example is Magikarp line with leaping over mountains but I digress.

    If talking about gameplay, Levitate Bronzong + Rain = Great Wall.
     
    That is cool~ There are surprisingly many pokémon that are based on Japanese myths and legends and events that we in the western world don't quite understand. Arcanine being legedary (that's chinese though?) and Lombre's origins etc. And this, apparently!

    I've never used Bronzong or Bronzor, except for in one roleplay where I did battle a Bronzor in a cave. But that's all, iirc. They never attracted me much because of their rather inanimate and boring looks, tbh. Sadly, maybe, as they have quite the interesting origin once you got to know it.

    I guess Bronzor is cute. But I wouldn't want to evolve it ;) Thanks for sharing, Ozzy.
     
    Aw, it's weird that you mentioned that! I was just reading all of Bulbagarden's Origin of Species yesterday! If you like Bronzong's origins, you'll love Parasect's!

    ... but I still dislike Bronzong lol. It's ugleh and though I think it was extremely creative to base a Pokemon on this myth I don't think it has a very good design. Or I'm just biased because I don't like inanimate objects.
     
    Or I'm just biased because I don't like inanimate objects.
    This is a very interesting point about Bronzong for me! Ordinarily I would agree with you - I dislike Pokémon like Vanillite, Trubbish, Honedge, etc, because the idea of an inanimate object coming to life like that is silly to me; Bronzong however is one that I've always loved. I can't really explain why, I guess it's probably to do with there being an obvious legend/story behind its creation which gave it the life that it has, or perhaps it's just because he looks like a huge derp of a Pokémon with that cheeky smile and those spaced out eyes, but Bronzong has always been one of the only inanimate object-based Pokémon that I've actually liked. And that's saying something considering it's a Psychic-type, one of my least favourites haha.

    (And yes Parasect is creepy! May post a thread on him soon ;))
     
    Yeah, same here except I think Honedge is kind of cool. I always really liked Muk and Grimer for some reason even though they're just sludge piles with arms and faces.

    That is a little bit of a dark story to base a Pokemon off of though, seeing as it involves a woman's suicide (is killing yourself over a material item supposed to be dark comedy or something?). But hey, cultures vary :D
     
    Wow, I never understood why this-this-this CIRCLE-Y shape that was supposedly made of bronze, could evolve into a... upside-down ice cream cone with the tip cut off and a long bronze ribbon glued to the top. Yeah, weird analysis of Bronzong, but hey... I'm overly creative sometimes. Anyways, I've always pondered this, and now it makes sense.

    Now, to explain Luvdisc...?

    *~Maelstrom~*
     
    I read all of the Origin of Species articles when they came out. After playing Diamond/Pearl, Bronzong was among my least favorite pokemon of all time, only second to Probopass. Usually after reading the Origin articles, I tend to have more respect for the pokemon, such as Mawile and Castform. But with Bronzong, reading this actually made me dislike it more.

    1. If this entire backstory has to do with a woman's spirit haunting a bell, then why wasn't Bronzong Ghost/Steel? But instead, they just made a third Steel/Psychic line, when that typing is better suited for artifical intelligence. For anyone who thinks this would have been overpowered, they could have lowered its BST.

    2. If this backstory is about a woman possessing a bell, why couldn't Bronzong be a 100% female pokemon, which was a cross between a ghostly woman with, say, the bronze bell for a dress/body? Yet instead, they made it a genderless, nearly-faceless inanimate object.

    3. Why doesn't a Bronzor, a steel-type pokémon based on a mirror introduce in gen IV, not learn Mirror Shot, a steel-type move introduced in gen IV? Not learning Mirror Coat is understandable, but not this. Furthermore, it should have had a reflective surface in its center, because it's current design is difficult to make out as a mirror, as opposed to a coin or gong.

    This story made me dislike Bronzong more because I felt as though it was a waste of a backstory with a lot of potential for a design. As for my third point, it seems to me like Bronzor was a half-baked idea.

    ChipmunkGamingInc. said:
    Now, to explain Luvdisc...?

    They do look like hearts, don't they?

     
    This was quite the interesting read, I do agree. I have always looked at Bronzong as a compelling Pokemon and he is one of my favorite Pokemon that was introduced in gen 4, but I now have a much higher opinion on him after reading this. Pokemon that were based on objects with this amount of history are just so fascinating to me. This is quite deep of a story that I never would have even imagined a Pokemon to be based on. Very nice story, Alex!
     
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