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Apology Thread For Pokémon Odyssey

Would you like Odyssey continued?


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    Seeing as how the official thread was locked, I'd like to create a public apology to Kyledove and anyone who feels let down or has lost respect for the game.

    This apology can be taken in anyway that it is wanted. However it is sincere.

    Many people will ask what's going on tile theft? wtf?!

    Well there are reasons behind what has happened. Choose to believe them or not, I don't mind it's your decision.
    There has always been some level of confusion around which of Kyledove's tiles are public or not, when he posts sheets of them in threads. However, the sheet I used to get some of the tiles in question, was sent to me by an online contact, who will remain nameless for his own reasons.

    It did state on this sheet that the tiles were made by Kyledove and that credit should be given. After asking where he found them, he said it was a foreign website that had them on there.

    The sheet in question is this one;

    Image removed by request.​

    Now I know that at this point I should asked Kyledove about these tiles, but well, I didn't clearly.
    I used the mountainous tiles just as a copy and paste, but the rest of the tiles were combined with some that I had already from the Sinnoh tileset. And in many cases it was only the colours that were used.

    This all happened a few months back, since then I have updated several times with these tiles on display and never until now has Kyledove said anything, thus leading me to think that these tiles were available for use.

    If it had been stated before now that these tiles were not to be used, perhaps in a PM to me, then this could've all been avoided most probably, however it wasn't.

    I don't like to think this as "tile theft", more as "tile mistake", I hope you can all see at this point how easy it would've been to make this mistake.

    And for those of you that don't believe this up until now, then please, don't waste my time replying just close the box now.

    Onto the idea of the spriteset theft, I have actually used a lucas sprite as the base sprite for this, and many of the different hairstyles that were to be made available where based on NPCs from the different generations of games. There were some that were based on kyles, but no directly stolen, I have sat here and used his as a reference, as many have done before me.

    And as for the idea of "Idea Theft", that whole concept to me is utter rubbish, how many games in this showcase have used similar ideas to each other, or in fact, similar ideas to other commercial games.

    Many people try and incorporate good and bad, but wasn't that the distinct idea behind the fable series? People have accused me of idea theft and yet i've done no such thing towards other people.

    Since we're getting into this whole idea, my mouse idea, I implemented it in one update and in the next update of a certain game, magically the mouse system had been introduced, I wont name names, because tbh I don't actually mind it. I take satisfaction in knowing that someone saw something I did and was inspired to try the same.

    I have never once claimed that the said tiles were my own tiles, except for the ones in the game that actually are lol, so no theft has been made, I have given credit like asked, so in my eyes I did nothing wrong in my ignorance of the tilesheet i received.

    Now the next step is for the fans to decide, would you like to see odyssey continued, obviously with different tiles? Or would you prefer it to stay dead now? I will not continue the game unless there will be support.

    Once again PC, I'm sorry for all the trouble, please take this apology sincerely as it is meant.

    ~Waudby.
     
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    thats really deep, it actually made me cry a little lol, i hope all this gets sorted out man,

    a big GL to you.
     
    To be honest, I think you should just remove the stolen tiles and sort it out with Kyledove. Kyledove's been saying that he repeatedly refused permission; was that for those tiles, or different ones? I'm not sure who to believe... Also, some of the tiles in question aren't on that sheet, such as the thick wall tiles. At the moment, I'm leaning more towards believing Kyledove (sorry)...

    But it would really be a shame if you stopped making Odyssey.
     
    To be honest, I think you should just remove the stolen tiles and sort it out with Kyledove. Kyledove's been saying that he repeatedly refused permission; was that for those tiles, or different ones? I'm not sure who to believe... Also, some of the tiles in question aren't on that sheet, such as the thick wall tiles. At the moment, I'm leaning more towards believing Kyledove (sorry)...

    But it would really be a shame if you stopped making Odyssey.

    No it wasn't for the tiles on THAT sheet, the tiles I asked Kyledove if I could use were actually some inside tiles and then most recently, after announcing his style changed, I ask about the old desaturated ones.

    Also the thick wall tiles is you actually compare them, they are different, I did not steal the tiles, I based mine on his, which i'm afraid isn't against rules, and used colours that he did, once again, not against rules as colours are not copyrightable lol.
     
    First thing:
    I find it funny how you are making a reference to my game using the mouse controls. It is Rm2k3- which doesn't have the support. I had a patch(for the program) and had to figure out how to actually call it (it uses the a sound file- well Rm2k3 thinks it is a sound file but it's a script)- I had the patch since late October.
    So don't even hint that I copied any of your ideas (if you even look at my game you would see I don't need to- 90% of the ideas are ideas I've been using for Silk2, or completely new for a Pokemon fan game). It's not like a saw the update and began coding the mouse feature. Plus, I taught we sorted out the whole idea theft thing in your thread. I made it clear where I stood (even praised your game in fact).

    Second thing:
    I do believe you about the tiles. I said it in my reaction post after I saw the theft. There is confusion with kyledove's newer tiles.

    Listen, your a good guy (although you do come across as very childish at times), I enjoy talking to you on MSN and on this, but I feel there is still stuff you didn't explain.
    Like the sulvian (did I spell that right?) status sprite being a copy of kyledoves entire sprite and the hero's hair being a flipped version of one of his school kids' hair.
     
    First thing:
    I find it funny how you are making a reference to my game using the mouse controls. It is Rm2k3- which doesn't have the support. I had a patch(for the program) and had to figure out how to actually call it (it uses the a sound file- well Rm2k3 thinks it is a sound file but it's a script)- I had the patch since late October.
    So don't even hint that I copied any of your ideas (if you even look at my game you would see I don't need to- 90% of the ideas are ideas I've been using for Silk2, or completely new for a Pokemon fan game). It's not like a saw the update and began coding the mouse feature. Plus, I taught we sorted out the whole idea theft thing in your thread. I made it clear where I stood (even praised your game in fact).

    Second thing:
    I do believe you about the tiles. I said it in my reaction post after I saw the theft. There is confusion with kyledove's newer tiles.

    Listen, your a good guy (although you do come across as very childish at times), I enjoy talking to you on MSN and on this, but I feel there is still stuff you didn't explain.
    Like the sulvian (did I spell that right?) status sprite being a copy of kyledoves entire sprite and the hero's hair being a flipped version of one of his school kids' hair.

    Woah, you took what I said about mouse controls so so wrong. I do not have a problem with people having the same features in their games as i have in mine. I never made any kind of scene about things like it.

    Yeah we have sorted out the problem of idea stuff. But someone referenced it before the thread was closed. So i was just answering that and also answering the thing that kyledove said about the clothing ideas being "stolen" which they're not.

    The Sullivan thing is just a place holder until I can actually go about making the statue with the actual Sullivan sprite.
     
    Whoa i totally just heard about this lol... That was a deep apology mate. good luck and w/e you do, i dont care what happens, do NOT stop making Odyssey. If you do, i will come to your neighborhood and burn down all the houses ;)
     
    I have decided, that whether people want me to or not, or whether or not people will support the game any more, I am continuing this, the offending tiles have been removed,and replaced with new ones.

    As a note to Kyledove; I'm sorry all this happened , if I can post proof to you that the tiles have been changed, will you agree to contact Avatar to re-open the thread?
     
    I highly support your game. Continue it.
     
    I now feel absolute sympathy for you, as i too found that particular sheet on a foreign website too, but you should have surly seen on his diviantart that he said not to use them. I'd say continue the game, but with more care.

    the wesite in question, i do belive, is here; https://forum.myutsu.net/index.php?showtopic=10460
    go to the second link in the first post.
     
    Man this is all weird to me.....oh well actually I dont really care. I still dont know who to believe so I wont pick my brain about it.
     
    I'm glad you're at least continuing Odyssey. It would be a pointless waste to stop production on it, although I do admit that it will probably take a very long time to get people to completely trust you again, Waudby.
     
    Waudby, I don't think that you stole the tiles. I really do think this is a misunderstanding. I hope that everyone can move on from this. I love Kyle's sprites just as much as the next guy, but this is why I would not use them personally. If they can't all be used by the public, then it is just to confusing sorting out them all considering how many people could add something as simple as like that tileset had, the permissions added to it. I don't know where it came from, but if it wasn't available to the public, then it should not have been created. I am glad that Odyssey will be continuing, I don't recall posting there, but it looks like it will be a good game. You do not see many games get this far without the Essentials base, so good job.
     
    You know what, I'm not even gonna read this whole topic, because I just saw how low you just sank.

    PEOPLE:

    That tileset he posted there, he put together HIMSELF
    I have NEVER EVER EVER PUT AN IMAGE TOGETHER LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE WHOLE "PLEASE GIVE CREDIT"

    if you check the url he even UPLOADED it himself - its not something I uploaded. JUST check the url.
    -Image removed by request.

    its not from my photobucket, its not from a foreign website, HE uploaded it!

    I was feeling really guilty that your game was closed down, but now I see you're not sorry at all you thief!

    EDIT: OH MY GOD, I started reading it and I cant believe how much it is full of ********, those tiles are MINE, I never got them from ANY foreign website! what the hell? everyone knows I make all my tiles myself! why would I even say that? Oh of course he makes up this "friend" of his who gave them to him. Cmon man, thats the oldest line in the book.

    For shame Waudby, I used to think you were my friend, I thought youd have enough respect to at least accept when youve been rumbled but cmon man, what a coward, why are you making up all these lies?

    Ok fine I accept I should have read the post throughout carefully first before replying, but I just checked the foreign site, and if you look at the link on there, it does NOT have the whole "please give credit" part (that waudby added on himself) and also unless you've been hiding in a cave the last while, WesleyFG is the one who posted it, who himself got caught up in a big scandal not too long ago because he had been stealing tiles from me.

    If you even look at that mock up picture he made with the credit part, he copied and pasted the "please give credit" from:
    https://fc69.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/015/0/f/Sinnoh_Interior_Tiles_by_Kymotonian.png (see the missing i's) BUT if you check another one of my tilesets:
    https://fc94.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/262/a/7/DP_tiles_for_public_by_Kymotonian.png - it has the i's and stuff, so what is the probability of me once again making the mistake of not writing in the i's in that tileset?

    Secondly Waudby is flat out lying, he did ask me many times repeatedly on multiple occasions if he could use my tiles (yes THOSE tiles) and I always always made it clear to him that no one may use them. He knows this because he goes around telling people off for using my tiles (so he clearly knew the whole time they weren't to be used)

    Dont try to take advantage of my kindness this whole time by not wanting to humiliate you and call you a thief. Don't even dare to act like this is my fault. I didnt mention it since the beggining because it was small things and I considered you my friend, I didnt want to ruin your game.

    Also clearly as you can see from the sullivan sprite, he knew the existance of my DP overworlds, so he clearly knows he stole from them. I'm sorry waudby, but when I made the hairstyles for the characters I pulled up all the other characters with pointy hair (like gary, etc) to make sure that my spiky hairstyle was completely different. There is no way on earth you did not steal them seeing how a) you already knew the existance of these overwolds (evidence being sullivan - which you didnt even bother to change his clothes) and b) the similarities are way too exact to be "inspiration" even the colours are the same. There is no way you can have such a big coincidence.

    And excuse me, but isnt using a character without permission stealing? Don't even try to hide behind the "placeholder" thing, I never saw you mention anywhere that it was a placeholder or even inform people that it was my character.

    You even failed to mention the walls you stole, and please dont say you didnt, the surface part sideways and upwards is 100% the same, the rest all you did was take the brick wall part from the sinnoh set building and replace the wall part. Then all you did was just lower them a bit. Editing stolen tiles is NOT making your own or using a reference to make your own.

    There are so many wholes in your explanation that its so obviously false, I bet you didnt even think of not continuing it, you decided on continuing it anyway you were just waiting for people to show enough support - as seen where he tells people who think he's a liar to not post at all. - If people who think you're a liar should just close this window, how would they even vote for you to quit the game?

    The whole way of trying to hide your stealing behind the confusion around which tiles of mine are for use is a complete joke. I have a thread here on the spriting which clearly has all the sprites that may be used by the public, and never ever have I posted any of my custom tiles there. I also released them on deviant art and each one clearly says what can and what can't be used.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Well After this I've made my desicion on the whole situation and I'll be voting now....
     
    The reason it's called my-tiles-1.png is because that's how it was sent, if you check the link that was posted here for a foreign website you will also see the in that link it's called my-tiles.

    I'm not claiming them as my own before anyone starts on that.

    I'm disgusted to see you suggest that I created that myself Kyle, the reason it's hosted on my space is because i uploaded it for the intention of showing the sheet here as proof. How else could it have been displayed?

    I NEVER suggested you had gotten them from a foreign website :S I said that that's where they were found!
     
    You know what, I'm not even gonna read this whole topic, because I just saw how low you just sank.

    PEOPLE:

    That tileset he posted there, he put together HIMSELF
    I have NEVER EVER EVER PUT AN IMAGE TOGETHER LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE WHOLE "PLEASE GIVE CREDIT"

    if you check the url he even UPLOADED it himself - its not something I uploaded. JUST check the url.
    -Image removed by request.

    its not from my photobucket, its not from a foreign website, HE uploaded it!

    I was feeling really guilty that your game was closed down, but now I see you're not sorry at all you thief!

    EDIT: OH MY GOD, I started reading it and I cant believe how much it is full of ********, those tiles are MINE, I never got them from ANY foreign website! what the hell? everyone knows I make all my tiles myself! why would I even say that? Oh of course he makes up this "friend" of his who gave them to him. Cmon man, thats the oldest line in the book.

    For shame Waudby, I used to think you were my friend, I thought youd have enough respect to at least accept when youve been rumbled but cmon man, what a coward, why are you making up all these lies?

    I went through and reread the first post trying to sort this all out, wondering if I had made a mistake. I have to say that you have put "Please give credit." on tiles. https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/3423135/ it's your own post sorry man. In Waudby's defense, I personally do not keep track of where I have gotten my tilesets from. If they say to give credit then that's what I look at. There is a link to that exact same tileset on a foreign website posted a few posts up from yours. I am sure that Waudby just uploaded the set so that we could all see what set was in question. Also he never accused you of getting them from another source. He stated that he had gotten them from another source. I think you are angry and need to calmly read his post again. I admire your work, it has always been great, but I still think this is a misunderstanding.
     
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